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Coinbase’s chief product officer will leave with a $105M payday

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Re: Coinbase’s chief product officer will leave with a $105M payday

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Mostly agree, but this part isn't really true: >But as the majority shareholder it's effectively their company, and they can do what they want with what they own (basic freedoms I think we all agree on?). For example, Elon, as majority shareholder, could simply liquidate Tesla and pocket his share of the sale. It's his company. Minority shareholder oppression is a thing.

> Minority shareholder oppression is a thing. Yeah, but minority investors know that going in . If I buy 10 shares of Google, it's unrealistic for me to think that I hold any power as a shareholder. I'm simply along for the ride. A large investor buying say, a 25% stake in a company, while being aware of an existing 51% voting block, knows that their 25% position is a minority and does not come with significant influ…

The minority shouldn’t overrule the majority. But the majority has a duty to deal fairly with the minority and not screw them over.

Re: Coinbase’s chief product officer will leave with a $105M payday

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It's not that misleading. This isn't an early employee who held onto his shares. He joined less than two years ago. He got an insanely high compensation package.

He got a pretty typical comp package but he happened to get in right before COIN stock took off, which made it astronomical. It's like the folks who joined Amazon a few years ago as Staff engineers. Their original comp packages were valued at $200k-$300k per year, but then the stock took off, and they ended up with $1M+ per year. They started with a typical package that was stock heavy and got lucky. Interestingly th…

I don’t think it makes sense to compare options with RSUs. The former is worthless in a company that doesn’t grow and it’s necessary to stay with the company until IPO. It’s a huge risk. The latter is closer to cash, bubbles notwithstanding.

The people getting in now aren’t screwed, they can just ask for refreshers. But the previous batch certainly got an unexpected windfall.

Re: Coinbase’s chief product officer will leave with a $105M payday

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For a sense of scale; a somewhat representative figure for a lifetime median income of a worker in the US is ~2.5m [1][2] this guy is earning ~50 times that in a couple of years. To give these figures a bit of shape. This is like getting a smarties cake[3] and giving Surojit Chatterjee pretty much the entire cake for just a couple years work. Whereas the median worker gets, for working a lifetime of effort (~45 years…

We need maximum wage laws. Such a law might look like this: The maximum total compensation (Salary + estimated stock grant value) must be less than some multiple of the lowest prorated total compensation of any regularly scheduled employee or contractor operating within nominal geographic limits. Goal: Stop overpaying top staff or increase the pay of your lowest workers, including commonly outsourced positions such a…

> We need maximum wage laws.

Coinbase' last private round valuation was ~8B[1]. On its DPO day, the stock closed at ~340, giving it a valuation of ~80B, or a 10x increase in ~18 months. Options literally skyrocketed and given the time value of options, they would have been worth far more if traded directly vs a simple exercise and sell. How will you design maximum wage laws in a case where something is shooting up 10-15x in value? Rather, what we have today (progressive taxation) seems to be a right setup with some tuning needed to balance the treatment of capital gains vs wages.

[1] https://www.crunchbase.com/funding_round/coinbase-series-f--...

Re: Coinbase’s chief product officer will leave with a $105M payday

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post #155

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> Tricking the coinbase execs into giving him one of the highest paying packages for any product exec in history The money was primarily generated from stock and options sales, not salary. If anything, it would be institutional investors who financed this. The fact that he happened to be on a Rule 10b5-1 plan further cements this; he didn't even control the timing of the sales.

GP carefully said "package," not salary. Package includes stock compensation.

What I mean to say is that compensation is typically negotiated as a _number of shares_, not as a dollar value. The fact that outside investors wanted to pay a surprisingly high amount for those shares is on them.

If your company says "we're going to pay you $400,000 and a commemorative water bottle", it's hardly fleecing the company if someone else wants to pay $40M for the water bottle.

Re: Coinbase’s chief product officer will leave with a $105M payday

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For a sense of scale; a somewhat representative figure for a lifetime median income of a worker in the US is ~2.5m [1][2] this guy is earning ~50 times that in a couple of years. To give these figures a bit of shape. This is like getting a smarties cake[3] and giving Surojit Chatterjee pretty much the entire cake for just a couple years work. Whereas the median worker gets, for working a lifetime of effort (~45 years…

We need maximum wage laws. Such a law might look like this: The maximum total compensation (Salary + estimated stock grant value) must be less than some multiple of the lowest prorated total compensation of any regularly scheduled employee or contractor operating within nominal geographic limits. Goal: Stop overpaying top staff or increase the pay of your lowest workers, including commonly outsourced positions such a…

Pre-IPO, so surely it was options and not a stock grant? Very different risk/reward profile.

Re: Coinbase’s chief product officer will leave with a $105M payday

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post #295

For a sense of scale; a somewhat representative figure for a lifetime median income of a worker in the US is ~2.5m [1][2] this guy is earning ~50 times that in a couple of years. To give these figures a bit of shape. This is like getting a smarties cake[3] and giving Surojit Chatterjee pretty much the entire cake for just a couple years work. Whereas the median worker gets, for working a lifetime of effort (~45 years…

We need maximum wage laws. Such a law might look like this: The maximum total compensation (Salary + estimated stock grant value) must be less than some multiple of the lowest prorated total compensation of any regularly scheduled employee or contractor operating within nominal geographic limits. Goal: Stop overpaying top staff or increase the pay of your lowest workers, including commonly outsourced positions such a…

perhaps make max executive pay+benefits proportional to the lowest full-time salary+benefits with a maximum ratio? The spirit of such legislation would be that executives should then seek to increase salaries of their workers in order to then increase their own.

Re: Coinbase’s chief product officer will leave with a $105M payday

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Yes, because he got stock as part of his compensation package. Last year it was worth more, but it's still worth a lot. If the product hadn't been successful, it would have been worth nothing. It's not a mystery at all.

> If the product hadn't been successful, it would have been worth nothing. It's not a mystery at all. The stock is down -84.99% from IPO, seems like so far (accordingly shareholders and the financial market), the product is indeed not very successful because if it was, the price would go up, not down. So he did a poor job, and now when sold his part of it, he got $105M.

Stock price is not a measure of product success.

Re: Coinbase’s chief product officer will leave with a $105M payday

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I'm always intrigued at people's carriers and where exactly the inflection point was. Looking at Surojit's career, it went something like this: BS in CS at Kharagput, something like a US T2 university MS in CS at Buffalo, something like a T2 univeristy, Spend some years at IBM and Oracle as a developer/senior developer 200k/year ? MIT Sloan MBA T1 world class PM/Senior PM at Symantec for a year 200-300k/year? Head of…

I've worked with Surojit; he was an absolute superstar. He rose through the ranks on the basis of mountains of backbreaking and incredibly impactful work.

> on the basis of mountains of backbreaking and incredibly impactful work

I can spot (maybe unintentional) ambiguity from a mile away. Whose backs were broken, and who did the work.

Re: Coinbase’s chief product officer will leave with a $105M payday

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I agree. And often, people don't draw the line at corporations. So many people in America are willing to screw over others if it means another dollar in their pocket.

The base elements of human nature do not care about national borders. I think you'll find such people, in similar proportion, in most places around the world.

"Fucking over others for personal gain" is actually not a "base element of human nature"! Plenty of other cultures are more altruistic, more about raising everyone up.

Re: Coinbase’s chief product officer will leave with a $105M payday

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> So he did a poor job Or (at least partially) the surrounding market conditions have changed into unfavorable conditions for a company like Coinbase Should a product officer be judged on whether the economy/financial markets change their mind on the value of risky things like crypto? Plus the FTX thing most likely isn't a product officer's fault

Chart comparing COIN versus BTC-USD: https://i.ibb.co/cJ3sZhD/D896-C78-E-DB0-F-48-DD-93-BB-4-D76-... (screen capture of yahoo finance). Yes, you can see Coinbase price appears to be highly correlated with Bitcoin price. However it is clear that Coinbase has still done very poorly: BTC is down 63% and COIN is down 84% since the IPO.

Devil's advocate: why was this chief product officer granted $100m in stock then?
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