Curious..is DEI purely a western phenomenon? Are there many examples of DEI policies being implemented in non-Western countries?
Big Tech Layoffs Are Hitting Diversity and Inclusion Jobs Hard
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#72DEI departments and projects have a fervor to them that is near religious: the core tenets are faith based and impossible to challenge scientifically. Challenge any DEI tenet and your are immediately met with threats of excommunication. Get in line or you're out. The thing is DEI efforts oftentimes mask comical understanding of history and blindingly gross racism. Personal anecdote: How do you deal with people who pr…
You fire them?
Unfortunately the people who can make these decisions (HR) are fully members of the DEI cult, and would never fire their allies.
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#73I predicted this would likely happen at the start of the year. I don't think it was an accident that tech become one of the main industries pushing D&I over the last several years. Whatever your opinion is on D&I it's arguably not something a company would put significant investment or time into unless they had spare margin and cashflows. This isn't a political comment, just an observation as someone who works for a…
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#74https://www.mckinsey.com/business-functions/organization/our... > Gender diversity is correlated with both profitability and value creation. In our 2017 data set, we found a positive correlation between gender diversity on executive teams and both our measures of financial performance: top-quartile companies on executive-level gender diversity worldwide had a 21 percent likelihood of outperforming their fourth-quarti…
I know no one will read the study but if they do they will find that this is entirely backwards looking--companies that did well in the prior years have more People of Diversity. Which makes sense, if you've done well recently you have more money to blow on affirmative action sinecures that provide political cover and give everyone a warm and tingly feeling.
If it actually increased profitability then we wouldn't need these programs and social coercion, shaming, etc. Companies would be scrambling to hire the magic People of Diversity that bring in the profits.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the US there are already laws against this. The company doesn't need DEI positions to enforce this.
The law punishes overt instances of discrimination. I can hire all of x gender, x race, x religion, etc. for my 1000 employee work force. You won't legally be able to nail any kind of discrimination on me so long as I take care as to not leave evidence of it. In this instance, did discrimination occur? Did the law do its job adequately?
EEOC and the DoJ litigate even covert attempts at discriminatory employment - that's kinda their job. The bigger issue is they (and the rest of the Federal Litigation infra) are chronically underfunded due to partisan bickering from both parties.
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#76ITT: People waking up to what happens when your HR department is staffed with predominantly liberal white women.
Wait til you find out how promotions work. It’s one heck of an affair!
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#77DEI departments and projects have a fervor to them that is near religious: the core tenets are faith based and impossible to challenge scientifically. Challenge any DEI tenet and your are immediately met with threats of excommunication. Get in line or you're out. The thing is DEI efforts oftentimes mask comical understanding of history and blindingly gross racism. Personal anecdote: How do you deal with people who pr…
> Challenge any DEI tenet and your are immediately met with threats of excommunication. Get in line or you're out. The one that continually upsets me (as someone who grew up in a predominantly Hispanic community, is married to a Hispanic person, has Hispanic children, and speaks Spanish as a fluent second language and in the home) is the use of the term "LatinX" which has spread through the DEI community and now gene…
That's because the idea there is not to "be inclusive". The idea is to create a complicated set of rules that can be used to promote people you like and demote people you don't like.
This is what happened in many colleges.
1. Certain job listings mandate adherence to diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) principles.
2. Candidates with the strongest understanding of DEI typically come from privileged backgrounds, such as private K-12 schools and Ivy League universities, and tend to be white.
3. These applicants are able to "out-perform" other applicants in terms of DEI understanding.
4. As a result, the faculty continues to be predominantly white and wealthy.
5. Profit.
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#78The idea of activists/politicians having any say in who companies hire disgusts me. The average person might thing of them as professional useless people. But as someone who lives in a somewhat corrupt country, I fear it's far more sinister. Here, after every government change, public worker positions and state universities tend to get filled with by the winner with their incompetent cronies. But the private sector i…
The idea of activists/politicians having any say in who companies hire disgusts me But does it disgust you when companies discriminate based on age/gender/sexual orientation/race/disability/religion/etc? Should corporations be accountable to society in some way, or do we trust them to "do the right thing"?
Corporations are optimizing to the playing field that society creates. As long as 1st world countries can import an endless stream of credentialed migrants, there's no incentive for corporations to hire and train the economically disadvantaged (aka, in many cases minorities).
If you want to hire minorities, open an office in their community, require them to work on site, and hire completely unskilled people with no experience so you can train them. This would require actual investment, not token 'DIE' positions, so corporations don't do it.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
The idea of activists/politicians having any say in who companies hire disgusts me But does it disgust you when companies discriminate based on age/gender/sexual orientation/race/disability/religion/etc? Should corporations be accountable to society in some way, or do we trust them to "do the right thing"?
You're advocating for a cure far worse than the disease and the disease isn't nearly as bad as they make it seem. You see, what's great about the private sector is that any company that engages in discrimination only harms itself and drives potential talent to their competitors. That's why I love working for private companies, no matter who you are or where you come from if you're making them a lot of money they'll t…
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the US there are already laws against this. The company doesn't need DEI positions to enforce this.
It's also illegal to steal from the company, yet companies still have internal security departments. Sexual harassment is illegal, yet companies still do sexual harassment training and HR in theory can help protect employees from sexual harassment and take action on harassers (if only to protect the company). What a ridiculous statement. It is of course the responsibility of people inside company to ensure that it do…
Even if by internal policing you think it's going to be completely removed (based on your statements here) you are overwhelmingly naive to corporate culture and are obviously responding in this way because you maintain a hard stance for such oversight regardless of actual need.