I wasn’t a fan of their Oraclesque sales techniques. They have a lot of customers waiting for them to fail.
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Pagerduty doesn't have a big moat, either. They've just cut loose a bunch of people who know the intimate details of how to build a product exactly like theirs, ripe for the plucking by a competitor who knows they have a business with healthy margins. Looking forward to more competition in this space, PD is not as cheap as it should be.
We need a competitor. I find PagerDuty to be over priced for what they are, and Atlassian is doing their best to destroy all of their services including OpsGenie which was very good until Atlassian bought them Those are the big 2 in the space, who else is there?
Founder of ilert.com here. We're a Germany based SaaS for alerting, on-call and status pages. We even have an importer that migrates your data (escalation policies, schedules, etc.) from PagerDuty to ilert.
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I keep seeing this sentiment everywhere. I think it's just two continental plates continuing to rub together: 1. Employment is purely transactional. Time is exchanged for money and money-equivalents. Full stop. 2. Your work is an act of self-expression. You derive meaning from your work, take pride in it, and feel a sense of ownership and responsibility in it. The work and its output bears the indelible mark of the m…
You call a company of fictitious entity, but What entity is not fictitious? A company is just an organized collection of humans, sometimes outnumbering the employees. Is a group of employees a fictitious entity? Is a union a fictitious entity? A family or a marriage? I don't see anything fictitious about it. If your point is that a company is not a human, of course it isn't. Nothing but a human is a human.
I mainly meant that it's not a durable physical entity. It's fictitious in that it only exists as thought-stuff in all of our heads.
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You call a company of fictitious entity, but What entity is not fictitious? A company is just an organized collection of humans, sometimes outnumbering the employees. Is a group of employees a fictitious entity? Is a union a fictitious entity? A family or a marriage? I don't see anything fictitious about it. If your point is that a company is not a human, of course it isn't. Nothing but a human is a human.
I mainly meant that it's not a durable physical entity. It's fictitious in that it only exists as thought-stuff in all of our heads.
I'm not trying to argue but genuinely curious what you think that conveys because I have seen this point or a variation brought up multiple times by different people and it always goes over my head
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I mainly meant that it's not a durable physical entity. It's fictitious in that it only exists as thought-stuff in all of our heads.
I'm not trying to argue but genuinely curious what you think that conveys because I have seen this point or a variation brought up multiple times by different people and it always goes over my head
I think it's an interesting philosophical question, like how it's presented in Sapiens [1].
But concretely what I mainly mean is, if a company "fails" (and while there's lots of different definitions of failing, let's here take the most extreme one, where the company runs out of money and just has to fold) then it's not like a person is dying. Debt will be restructured, employees can be laid off, it can be bought/assets sold off, and most notably the actual people who profit most off these companies are substantially protected since the incorporation protects their personal assets from liability. Their biggest threat is the loss of stock price they presumably own, and that's a risk profile they've very clearly accepted. So when a company "dies", it's typically not really death in nearly the same sense that we normally think of the word. And it's slow, with (typically) no one person being a big load-bearing point, and tons of options and exit strategies and protections for people's personal affairs.
This resiliency, flexibility, and non-corporealness means companies almost always have more power in negotiations.
Compared to a human of mortal flesh, who typically have somewhere between 0 and a few months of runway before cobra payments and lack of income start to strain spousal relationships, mortgage payments come in danger, etc. And the 1-2 breadwinners, either of whose income loss is an existential risk to the family, are single points of failure if you're laid off or fired. Are typically scrambling to lock in employment again.
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I'm not trying to argue but genuinely curious what you think that conveys because I have seen this point or a variation brought up multiple times by different people and it always goes over my head
I think it's an interesting philosophical question, like how it's presented in Sapiens [1]. But concretely what I mainly mean is, if a company "fails" (and while there's lots of different definitions of failing, let's here take the most extreme one, where the company runs out of money and just has to fold) then it's not like a person is dying. Debt will be restructured, employees can be laid off, it can be bought/ass…
I think that makes sense. Because they are incorporeal, they have fewer and different needs to fulfil, and this can give them a bargaining advantage.
If this is what most people are trying to say, I think the incorporeal language is much more direct and clear than calling them fictitious, which has other meanings
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Sorry... "People First" https://www.pagerduty.com/blog/pagerdutys-people-first-appro...
People First is still wildly different from "we are family". The former implies treating people with respect as humans versus entries in a spreadsheet, whereas the latter implies nothing can ever separate your bond. I see nothing wrong with people first on their about page. What part do you take issue with? (Dutonians is cheeky, but a reasonable standin for stodgy 'PagerDuty Employees')
> People First is still wildly different from "we are family". The former implies treating people with respect as humans versus entries in a spreadsheet
Few things embody better the "entries in a spreadsheet" concept than laying off people to adjust a finance balance.
They are not a charity, sure, but "People first" is still bullshitting people.
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#179List of employees (58): https://pastebin.com/0kGZWjau
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Pagerduty doesn't have a big moat, either. They've just cut loose a bunch of people who know the intimate details of how to build a product exactly like theirs, ripe for the plucking by a competitor who knows they have a business with healthy margins. Looking forward to more competition in this space, PD is not as cheap as it should be.
I would love a PD competitor. I've considered building one in the past, I'm mostly just afraid of the oncall/reliability load. It's expensive and hard to use. Lot of opportunity to someone to come in on the "pagerduty but simple" train and start taking market share away.
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