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Me too: https://storykoala.ai/
Your https://storynoworky.ai unfortunately :(
I just wanted to continue the pattern in the thread :D
Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney
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Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney
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Yes, but that's precisely the usage I find upsetting!
perhaps the core idea of the story can still come from you but ChatGPT can help flesh out the details in write it in a compelling manner.
That's how I see it. IT could still involve a lot of novel thought and work to get the AI to generate text you want. You nudge it in whatever direction you want it to go.
Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney
#283I hate this so very much. Automating creativity is so gross. Never mind the fact that these models are trained on stolen artwork and texts.
Don't take this as a trolling question, but I can't help but wonder if this sentiment towards AI generated art and creativity is similar to how a chef might feel about shrink wrapped frozen food factories. Just like how a frozen meal can be thrown in the microwave and still be considered a meal, AI generated art can still be considered creative and beautiful. But, as we all know, the timing and execution to properly…
But it is not like that ... at all. Analogies run the risk of being completely wrong.
A frozen food is made of real food, the process all starts from scratch with "natural" ingredients (well ingredients).
The frozen food vs fresh cooked food is more like a film vs live acting. Or listening on tape vs a live concert. Even this analogy is lacking, a frozen food is made fresh at some point, it is about mass production not origin and ownership.
The frozen food is not food from your kitchen (or trashcan) remixed and added onto other people's plate.
Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney
#284A fun experiment but LLM generated stories will never escape the uncanny valley, because they're not novel, they're remixes. I know the critique of that position is "but humans just remix the things they know from the world" but that is the same misunderstanding that those who thought truck driving jobs would be automated by 2018 made about that profession. i.e. The less you know about a field, the more likely you ar…
> A fun experiment but LLM generated stories will never escape the uncanny valley
Never is a really, really long time.
> Art, in this case illustration and narrative, requires a coherent viewpoint.
Why can't an AI have a coherent viewpoint, especially in the context of a children's book, where that viewpoint need only be incredibly simple? "John has lost his , feels sad about that, and wants to get it back" is a coherent viewpoint, and certainly something AI can (if not now, at some point in the future) write a coherent story about.
> Voice is special because of the uniqueness of the human life behind it, which I realize sounds a bit airy-fairy, but is very true once you start digging into what works and what doesn't.
So what works and what doesn't? You're saying all of this at a high level and giving a timeline of forever on your prediction, but then you say it's true if you dig in without doing that.
> It's also why some pieces really don't work for some people. The "a kid could draw that" critiques of various modernism styles come from this place.
The thing about modernism is that it requires outside context to understand. It is a movement in response to art movements that preceded it, and the fact that its style uses simplistic shapes and lines is because of what it's a response to. You need to understand that history to appreciate why it is what it is.
In that sense, you're absolutely right - a child can't produce modern art, because even if it looks visually similar to existing art, it lacks that context.
The problem with that argument is that it's totally irrelevant to the topic at hand - children's books. They do not need history or context - those things serve no purpose because, for obvious reasons, they would be lost on the audience. All you have to hit is the superficial level - if you book looks and reads like a great children's book, it's a great children's book!
On a somewhat related note, I think AI art will eventually be seen as a movement somewhat akin to modernism. In response to the fact that art has become increasingly elite and insular (the whole fact that a modern painting can't be fully appreciated just by looking at the painting - you must know art history, which most people don't have the time or inclination to learn), people will be inclined to appreciate the flood of beautiful but democratized art that can be made by anyone. Just as the generation of artists before modernism thought it was awful, so will the current generation of artists about AI art. I'm a believe that art should be about aesthetics, not history, and AI art is certainly great for that.
Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney
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> Voice is special because of the uniqueness of the human life behind it This IMO is a handwavy criticism of AI-generated content by people judging content who have the foreknowledge that the content was AI-generated. To put it another way, pretend it was a year (or more) ago and ChatGPT/Stable Diffusion were ~unknown. You stumble across this kids book. Be completely honest here: would your reaction be "there's no wa…
I clicked on the link agreeing with you and came back disagreeing. Maybe I wouldn't have thought "an LLM made this", but the story is disjointed in a way that makes no sense for a children's book. The structure is all wrong. -> Hedgehog making bread -> Loves making bread -> One day bread stolen -> Butter everywhere -> Hedgehog sets out to find culprit -> Finds culprit -> Opens butter themed amusement park with culpri…
This is the prompt they used
> Once upon a time there was porcupine. Every day, she baked a loaf of bread. One day the loaf disappeared. Because of that, she had too much butter. Because of that, things got slippery. Until finally she opened the first ever butter theme park.
It seems like the LLM did exactly what the author wanted
Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney
#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't take this as a trolling question, but I can't help but wonder if this sentiment towards AI generated art and creativity is similar to how a chef might feel about shrink wrapped frozen food factories. Just like how a frozen meal can be thrown in the microwave and still be considered a meal, AI generated art can still be considered creative and beautiful. But, as we all know, the timing and execution to properly…
I think there are important differences between this situation and your chef/frozen food analogy that cause it to break down: * A digital image is permanent. A meal, by design, is consumed and has a very specific lifespan. * A digital image is trivial to duplicate and consume again. A meal can be very hard to duplicate (and may even require another chef, or food scientists). No two people can consume exactly the same…
I think the whole food analogy is missing the main point we are not reusing someone else's food to create a new frozen food.
Frozen-ness is about mass production - but not about the origin of that food. It just conflates unrelated issues.
Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney
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> Voice is special because of the uniqueness of the human life behind it This IMO is a handwavy criticism of AI-generated content by people judging content who have the foreknowledge that the content was AI-generated. To put it another way, pretend it was a year (or more) ago and ChatGPT/Stable Diffusion were ~unknown. You stumble across this kids book. Be completely honest here: would your reaction be "there's no wa…
I clicked on the link agreeing with you and came back disagreeing. Maybe I wouldn't have thought "an LLM made this", but the story is disjointed in a way that makes no sense for a children's book. The structure is all wrong. -> Hedgehog making bread -> Loves making bread -> One day bread stolen -> Butter everywhere -> Hedgehog sets out to find culprit -> Finds culprit -> Opens butter themed amusement park with culpri…
> There is no overlapping theme or logic to the story.
I think that's pretty different than GP's point about art needing to have "voice." It seems entirely clear to me that AI will get to the point where it can generate something coherent in terms of plot/theme/logic - that's just a matter of time.
Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney
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On an emotional level, I totally agree. But as a developer of creative tools, I've been trying to make sense of what's good and bad in this field. Arguably, all creative software is at least partially automating creativity (photoshop, ableton etc). But my conclusion so far is that the gross part is when the user inputs a vague request and a finished product comes out. Contrastingly, if the user can make continuous ch…
It usually trends to the way over time. When you're demonstrating or studying a tech (like we're doing with gpt now), there's a tendency to go "here's what it can do." Once people start using it for more mundane work, the focus becomes "here's what I can do with it." It probably doesn't matter what children's stories language models can write themselves. It matters what stories people can write using them. Same for s…
I think (and hope) you're right. Recently, someone coined the phrase "bach faucet" to describe the mundanity of an "AI" that can compose millions of novel bach fugues that are indistinguishable from the real thing [1]. At the end of the day that is just pointless - abundant art serves no purpose in society, and its value will be zero when considering supply and demand.
[1] https://twitter.com/galaxykate/status/1583907942834716672
Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney
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Please do this analysis on other children's books, I think you will find something similar. These aren't masterpieces of storytelling...
It's not an expectation that a book will be a masterpiece of storytelling. Take the very hungry caterpillar, it has the simplest premise: -> Caterpillar eats food -> Caterpillar eats more food -> Caterpillar eats even more food -> Caterpillar gets sick -> Caterpillar eats less food -> Butterfly. The succession of events have a thread that join them together. I'm pretty sure ChatGPT could write it as well if you give…
Yeah but The Very Hungry Caterpillar is a good children's book. Maybe you don't have children but trust me there are plenty of bad children's books (especially now it's easy to self publish).
Take a look at Penguin in Peril for example.
Cats are hungry -> they go to see a film -> they are still hungry so they decide to steal a penguin -> the penguin escapes -> the penguin swims through a fountain back to the zoo -> the cats get put in prison.
I dunno maybe it's still fairly coherent, but we've gone from "completely impossible" to "bad children's books" in like 2 years. How many more years do you think it will take to get to "good children's book"? I bet less than 10.
Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney
#290A fun experiment but LLM generated stories will never escape the uncanny valley, because they're not novel, they're remixes. I know the critique of that position is "but humans just remix the things they know from the world" but that is the same misunderstanding that those who thought truck driving jobs would be automated by 2018 made about that profession. i.e. The less you know about a field, the more likely you ar…
> they're not novel, they're remixes. I think it depends on how you use it. If you write a one-line prompt, you'll get a "generic" result. With more guidance, you can get something much more personal. For example, you could imagine a story and let ChatGPT pick the actual words. At the end, you can put an arbitrary amount of work to get a generated story. You can treat ChatGPT as a co-author who will help you do the p…
This is very achievable by layering it. Start by asking for a synopsis, then characters, then story arc, then outline, then chapters, then chapter outlines, then content. Each time seeding the prompt with the hierarchy of content above that level.