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Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges
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Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges
#12I don't think he's replaceable. It's like house of cards without Kevin Spacey. Actually even worse, one of the best episodes was an episode completely voiced by Justin, of an entire society, and he managed to play so many different personalities of the same character. Never seen this level of voice acting. It was pretty obvious that he's got issues. Had a scene where a writer literally confesses that he has bad tende…
>I don't think he's replaceable.
He hasn't been writing for the show these past few seasons, so his only contribution is his voice. Voices are usually replaceable.
> I'm all in favor of him both losing most of his money to compensate his victims and continuing to work on Rick and Morty. But society can't handle nuance, and the mob judges people instead of actions. Literally nothing good happened as a result of this cancellation. Just blind mob justice.
The show is still being made. Society hasn't lost anything.
Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges
#13What happened to ‘innocent until proven guilty’? Are mere allegations enough to lose your job?
You're conflating law enforcement with regular life. Regular people and employers don't have the investigative authority of law enforcement. Law enforcement has a higher standard of proof because it comes with higher penalties.
The rest of us who don't have the authority to conduct formal investigations have no choice but to make decisions based on the best knowledge we have and the benefit of our life experience.
The employer did what investigation they could. That's what they've been doing until this point. This information about Roiland didn't just come out today. This is all easily found out. You've reflexively invented the fearmongering scenario that action was taken on allegations alone.
Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges
#14What happened to ‘innocent until proven guilty’? Are mere allegations enough to lose your job?
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Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges
#15The key to the success of Rick and Morty is that it's a very subversive show, sometimes to the point of being disturbing. Its embrace of comedic nihilism undermines classic sitcom tropes in much the way The Simpsons did when it was new. I always got the impression that this stemmed in no small part from Justin Roiland. It's not exactly a surprise that someone with so little regard for social convention turned out to…
> it's a very subversive show Very subversive. We're talking Million Dollar Extreme levels! (Wait, no; then it'd be canceled already.)
I'm not sure if this is meant to be sarcastic (I'm not familiar with Million Dollar Extreme), but in any case I want to draw attention to a particular piece of subversion that encapsulates everything good and bad about Rick and Morty.
(Spoilers)
In the very first season, there's an episode where Rick reluctantly helps Morty attract his crush with a "love potion". Now this is obviously messed up, but it's a classic trope that pops up in all sorts of mythology. We've all seen it and we know how it goes - generally it blows up in some sort of monkey's paw way and the offenders get some sort of poetic comeuppance, lending the story a satisfying resolution and a clear moral. Rick and Morty goes out of its way to subvert this - it blows up alright, we saw that coming a mile off, but everyone in the world except the protagonists are gruesomely affected. And they don't resolve the problem, they run away. With no negative consequences for them whatsoever. They get to keep living their lives as before, while their original family and everyone else they knew continues to suffer horrifically offscreen. Sitcom does not reset. Morty is traumatized and Rick just shrugs. The end.
This is a shocking thing to see on TV. It sends all kinds of terrible messages. And perhaps that's the very reason why it was so captivating, why Rick and Morty felt so fresh. It was making a very clear statement that in the RIck and Morty universe, normal dramatic tropes don't apply. Poetic justice can't be relied upon, just like in real life. Anything can happen.
Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges
#16I don't think he's replaceable. It's like house of cards without Kevin Spacey. Actually even worse, one of the best episodes was an episode completely voiced by Justin, of an entire society, and he managed to play so many different personalities of the same character. Never seen this level of voice acting. It was pretty obvious that he's got issues. Had a scene where a writer literally confesses that he has bad tende…
>I don't think he's replaceable. He hasn't been writing for the show these past few seasons, so his only contribution is his voice. Voices are usually replaceable. > I'm all in favor of him both losing most of his money to compensate his victims and continuing to work on Rick and Morty. But society can't handle nuance, and the mob judges people instead of actions. Literally nothing good happened as a result of this c…
>He hasn't been writing for the show these past few seasons
That explains a lot. The shift in tone is very noticeable.
Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges
#17I don't think he's replaceable. It's like house of cards without Kevin Spacey. Actually even worse, one of the best episodes was an episode completely voiced by Justin, of an entire society, and he managed to play so many different personalities of the same character. Never seen this level of voice acting. It was pretty obvious that he's got issues. Had a scene where a writer literally confesses that he has bad tende…
>I don't think he's replaceable. He hasn't been writing for the show these past few seasons, so his only contribution is his voice. Voices are usually replaceable. > I'm all in favor of him both losing most of his money to compensate his victims and continuing to work on Rick and Morty. But society can't handle nuance, and the mob judges people instead of actions. Literally nothing good happened as a result of this c…
It was already getting worse, at this point it's not really going to be Rick and Morty anymore. Ship of Thaddeus except different ship entirely.
Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges
#18Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it's a very subversive show Very subversive. We're talking Million Dollar Extreme levels! (Wait, no; then it'd be canceled already.)
I'm not sure if this is meant to be sarcastic (I'm not familiar with Million Dollar Extreme ), but in any case I want to draw attention to a particular piece of subversion that encapsulates everything good and bad about Rick and Morty. (Spoilers) In the very first season, there's an episode where Rick reluctantly helps Morty attract his crush with a "love potion". Now this is obviously messed up, but it's a classic t…
> It was making a very clear statement that in the RIck and Morty universe, normal dramatic tropes don't apply.
How does it not apply when Morty is traumatised by the experience? The show doesn't hide the fact that Rick is traumatised (by all of the experiences they had been to) either, he's just better at hiding it.
Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure if this is meant to be sarcastic (I'm not familiar with Million Dollar Extreme ), but in any case I want to draw attention to a particular piece of subversion that encapsulates everything good and bad about Rick and Morty. (Spoilers) In the very first season, there's an episode where Rick reluctantly helps Morty attract his crush with a "love potion". Now this is obviously messed up, but it's a classic t…
> It was making a very clear statement that in the RIck and Morty universe, normal dramatic tropes don't apply. How does it not apply when Morty is traumatised by the experience? The show doesn't hide the fact that Rick is traumatised (by all of the experiences they had been to) either, he's just better at hiding it.
It's out of proportion. They permanently destroy the world, and the only consequence is that Morty feels bad about it. Rick is annoyed, but at a level more consistent with Morty breaking a vase - a valuable, beautiful, but ultimately replaceable object. It's implied that Rick has done this sort of thing many times before.