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Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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How do you get a layer of butter on your kitchen ? Not a native English speaker so maybe this sounds natural to people - but to me it sounds like bad wording. It paints the wrong picture and is not kids friendly wording IMO.

What about it seems “not kids friendly” to you? I don’t see the problem.

I don't know, I'm imagining reading this to my two year old and using the words like "layer" seems pointlessly complicated. The story seems too silly for a child with better vocabulary. I could be off.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

#192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a person learns how to paint expertly by looking at (and even copying, stroke for stroke) paintings, would you consider that immoral, and those paintings having been stolen? If not, what would you say the difference is?

There is the notable difference in the speed and scale at which a computer can be trained. The analogy doesn't really hold up in my opinion.

So if there were a genius painter that learned various artistic styles on sight you would say that their work had no value?

I think you might be in trouble there, a number of savants have been known throughout history who have been able to learn various things with no instruction and simply by hearing or seeing a work done by someone else have been able to recreate it or produce something in their style.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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I hate this so very much. Automating creativity is so gross. Never mind the fact that these models are trained on stolen artwork and texts.

If a person learns how to paint expertly by looking at (and even copying, stroke for stroke) paintings, would you consider that immoral, and those paintings having been stolen? If not, what would you say the difference is?

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Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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I also ain't a big fan of the idea, a few thoughts

* (Currently) Most AI generated images have an aesthetic to them, so it's easy to spot sometimes. Typically low-res, smeared details, bad hands/body horror. This may improve over time, but I don't know how I'd feel ethically (both morally and in work/effort) leaning so hard on AI.

* For me at least, as soon as I learn something creative is completely (or mostly) AI generated I lose all interest in engaging with the content beyond surface-level consumption. I think fundamentally AI generated creative works are banal and will age horribly over time.

Honestly I think it would be much better to buy a nice paperback kid's book made by a human as a gift for your friend's kid. They'll love it and the kid will have a connection with a human author and artist.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

#195
post #176

I hate this so very much. Automating creativity is so gross. Never mind the fact that these models are trained on stolen artwork and texts.

At best you could claim “pirated”, definitely not “stolen”. IMO piracy should be morally encouraged

Do you think it's moral for a big corporation to profit on pirating works from small artists?

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

#196
It seems the AI doesn't know the difference between a hedgehog and a porcupine. (A quick check shows Stable Diffusion at least knows the two animals on a high level.)

Leaving aside the creepiness factor, I wonder what confusion will be sown in young minds by the inevitable onslaught of machine-generated children's content.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

#197

I keep coming back to the fact that these technologies enable people to create simulacrums of high quality content quickly - but that shows because of the obvious short comings as identified by other posters. If I gave myself a week to write a children's book using these tools with a human editor loop - could I create (or perhaps someone more talented) a great book? That seems possible. This seems like it was created…

Whenever I'm looking for anything on Amazon nowadays, it feels like sifting through hundreds of cheaply made products from companies I've never heard of with 4 or 5 star reviews I have no trust in.

I'm really not looking forward to the same thing happening with blog posts, news articles, or books. Not like there is just quality content out there at the moment.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

#198
post #143

I hate this so very much. Automating creativity is so gross. Never mind the fact that these models are trained on stolen artwork and texts.

If it works, it'll be used. Are you grossed out when using a calculator? I hope so

Mathematical concepts are in the public domain. The art used to train these models are not

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

#199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people who wrote the Photoshop source code were paid for their contributions with full consent that their work would be included in the product and sold for a profit by Adobe. The artists whose work was fed into these systems did not consent, nor were they paid for their contribution. In fact, I have seen a few reports of people using these systems to generate lookalike artworks intended to resemble the work of s…

Be real, copyright/attribution is only one complaint, a tiny part of the sudden hatred against AI art/creativity. When somebody brings up the invention of photoshop, they're not trying to disprove a point about paying salaries to the devs, and I am sure you knew that.

> Be real, copyright/attribution is only one complaint, a tiny part of the sudden hatred against AI art/creativity.

When the artists whose work was stolen to train these models are compensated for that work then maybe its a "tiny part". Until then it is taking peoples work and using it to create an ultimate competitor in their own market that they cannot compete with. They now have to compete against themselves and they haven't even been paid for that "privilege".

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

#200

I hate this so very much. Automating creativity is so gross. Never mind the fact that these models are trained on stolen artwork and texts.

All advances in creative tooling are automating creativity. What are you on about? Look at photoshop color selector automates mixing paint, digital filters for audio automate analog mixers. This attitude towards AI creative tools is gatekeeping.

It’s not gatekeeping to value the outcomes of work created this way less than you would from the mind of a human.

Saying that I agree with you in that I see this technology as a tool that can be used by humans to make amazing things. No one really has yet as the outputs have just been blunted, sloppy things. But if I’m an artist I see these tools as the latest tool to help make things.

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