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Macroeconomic changes have made it impossible for me to want to pay you

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Re: Macroeconomic changes have made it impossible for me to want to pay you

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I grind away at our codebase day in day out causing me immense personal anxiety and burnout risk and all for what? Well! The honest answer is because software engineering is an incredibly satisfying intellectual pursuit. So satisfying that outside of work in my spare time I literally do it for free , giving away my work to strangers as free / open source software. Why draw a salary then? Or stock? Well obviously I ha…

> Would they get it if the other top engineers and I all downed tools or walked out as a group? No

Why not try that? Or use it as leverage? If you believe this.

Re: Macroeconomic changes have made it impossible for me to want to pay you

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>So why is their exit equivalent to several mansions and mine is around about a year’s worth of salary? Honestly? Because 1) you are very replaceable and 2) you have a very low chance in succeeding at organizing any kind of group/union action. If either of those two facts were different, you would have more leverage. But they aren't so you don't.

Honestly every single one of those execs is very replaceable too.

Says the person who lacks the ability to fire them. The reason why you don't have that ability is the same reason why you are seen as more replaceable.

Re: Macroeconomic changes have made it impossible for me to want to pay you

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>So why is their exit equivalent to several mansions and mine is around about a year’s worth of salary? Honestly? Because 1) you are very replaceable and 2) you have a very low chance in succeeding at organizing any kind of group/union action. If either of those two facts were different, you would have more leverage. But they aren't so you don't.

Honestly every single one of those execs is very replaceable too.

The important thing is to always be the one doing the replacing.

Re: Macroeconomic changes have made it impossible for me to want to pay you

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post #12

> The fact is, if I wanted to pay you, I could. I could even give you raises. But once again, that is not the economic reality we face. And so we must make hard choices. Maybe I've hung around in the wrong circles too much recently, but this hit me hard. This is basically how the reasoning behind all top management decisions have been communicated to me in the past year: "There is indeed a clearly better alternative…

wrong view / comparios ... in a 5% interest rate environment, companies fight for investors money .. if you don't do the cuts and find a way to be efficient investors will put their money somewhere else that's more profitable. this reasoning is pure and simple and correct, you start from the top, not from the fact "they can afford it" because their job is not to spend the money they have their job is to increase valu…

> if you don't do the cuts and find a way to be efficient investors will put their money somewhere else that's more profitable.

A company that is cutting staff is creatively bankrupt and has clearly no idea where to spend effort in anything new.

I wouldn't invest in a company that is reducing headcount in this manner.

Re: Macroeconomic changes have made it impossible for me to want to pay you

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post #3

The part I thought was the best was this: "This was not an easy decision to make. It’s weighed heavily on me for the past month, keeping me up at night and nearly causing me to cancel the exec team’s offsite, even though Bad Bunny’s appearance fee was only 50 percent refundable. Let’s not mince words, though; the accountability for this decision rests with me. The consequences, on the other hand, rest with you, but s…

I think he meant accountability as in accounts, as in bank.

Re: Macroeconomic changes have made it impossible for me to want to pay you

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post #12

> The fact is, if I wanted to pay you, I could. I could even give you raises. But once again, that is not the economic reality we face. And so we must make hard choices. Maybe I've hung around in the wrong circles too much recently, but this hit me hard. This is basically how the reasoning behind all top management decisions have been communicated to me in the past year: "There is indeed a clearly better alternative…

wrong view / comparios ... in a 5% interest rate environment, companies fight for investors money .. if you don't do the cuts and find a way to be efficient investors will put their money somewhere else that's more profitable. this reasoning is pure and simple and correct, you start from the top, not from the fact "they can afford it" because their job is not to spend the money they have their job is to increase valu…

This might be true of a lot of companies, but then you look at others like Waymo where the revenue is pure projection, the relationship between staff numbers and having a workable product unknown and the pile of cash available to fund it not requiring any borrowing, and it looks suspiciously like trend following (with maybe a bit of actually self driving cars are further off than we thought but, hey, not our mistake because everyone else is doing layoffs too thrown in)...

Re: Macroeconomic changes have made it impossible for me to want to pay you

#29
post #11

What ever will those TikTok tech workers do now that they can't stream their comped meals and coffee breaks and afternoon relaxation massages?[0] If only it was illegal for The Man to fire these valuable employees! 0. https://twitter.com/Carnage4Life/status/1617534649508716544

It's not a TikTok tech worker. It's a recruiter depicting an unrealistic - missing all the stress etc - view of the workplace to attract inexperienced employees.As ones with experience mostly don't give a crap about these types amenities. That video was done for The Man, not for the employees well being. And apparently The Man was able to sell you this depiction of the work place so you can now feel smug about all th…

She wasn't a recruiter, she was a Partner Services Program Manager[0]. And there's dozens of videos just like these of employees flexing their perks daily while appearing to do very little work. It's been going on for awhile. If you're asserting that it's all propaganda, you're going to need to give some sources and not half-baked conspiracy theories.

0. https://news.yahoo.com/former-google-employee-documents-day-...

Re: Macroeconomic changes have made it impossible for me to want to pay you

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post #25
post #13

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Hmm, if your employer waits until they have 12000 of you to fire for not doing any work, that is its own kind of incompetence.

Well, it seems to be less of a PR problem doing the "no hard feelings, business is business and we have to" than firing a handful of people every few months to maintain optimal operation. Probably costs less overall. Laying off a ton of people is less likely to get severe bad will as laying off a few dozen every few weeks for years.
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