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Seven years on, what do we know about the disappearance of flight MH370? (2021)

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Re: Seven years on, what do we know about the disappearance of flight MH370? (2021)

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Post by swyx »

gsnedders wrote: post #354
phire wrote: post #282

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They have other customers. Even if they don't find it, this is great advertising for them, and gives them a reason to test their technology. And if they do find it, even better advertising. I wouldn't be surprised if their negotiated finders fee from Malaysia is still below cost.

If they _do_ find it, they'll be getting reported for _decades_ for having found it. Putting a marketing value to that is… incredibly difficult.

first they shall have to find the proverbial broken up needle in a haystack deeper and wider than any search that has ever been done on earth. expected value of this thing is ultra negative no matter the marketing value lol

Re: Seven years on, what do we know about the disappearance of flight MH370? (2021)

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Post by renox »

antognini wrote: post #23
zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #7

Better question is what has been done to prevent the next MH370 and I bet the answer is nothing much, it took a back burner once the story was out of the headlines. There are only a thousand reasons aircraft operators might want to know where their planes are and if there are any issues. I’m sure that the gps position and black box data could be streamed over radio and/or satellite.

In the US two people must be in the cockpit at all times. If one of the pilots needs to use the bathroom, a flight attendant has to take their place in the cockpit until the pilot returns. This prevents a suicidal pilot from taking down a plane (or makes it much harder anyway). This wasn't a requirement on Malaysian Airlines at the time. (I don't know if the regulations have since been updated.)

While this improves safety, let's not fool ourselves, what are the critical parts of an airtrip? Takeoffs and landings. What happens if the suicidal pilot act during takeoff or landing?

Plus let's not forget AF447 where a mistake by one pilot (involuntarily) stalling the plane wasn't caught by the other pilots until too late.. To be fair this was during an emergency caused by pitot tube 'failure', so there were lots of things to process.

Re: Seven years on, what do we know about the disappearance of flight MH370? (2021)

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Post by reacweb »

interestica wrote: post #42
dml2135 wrote: post #29

Fascinating article. I had a chuckle at this excerpt: >The Malaysian investigators did look into whether the cargo could have started a fire, noting that it consisted mainly of ripe mangosteen fruits along with a small number of lithium batteries. Extensive attempts by the investigators to get mangosteen juice to react with the batteries and trigger a fire were unsuccessful. I'm sure plenty of people here have spent…

Investigations have some weird bits. I've always wondered if there's a certain title for the person who prepares the chickens for the 'chicken gun' in airplane testing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_gun

The person who bought the chickens told me that battery chickens were not suitable because the bones were too soft. Farm chickens were needed. The farmer never knew what the chickens were for.

Re: Seven years on, what do we know about the disappearance of flight MH370? (2021)

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Post by dark-star »

antognini wrote: post #207
dark-star wrote: post #96

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It feels a little more reasonable to me than removing your shoes or restricting liquids. Even if the shoe bomber had been successful, he wouldn't have been able to take down an entire plane. But it's trivial for a rogue pilot to kill everyone on board a plane. Since 9/11, cockpit doors have been reinforced so that it's basically impossible for anyone in the cabin to force their way into the cockpit. Ensuring that the…

Maybe, but it's still trivially easy to break the system. Just slip something in your co-pilot's drink. Or knock him or the (probably female) cabin attendant out with something heavy.

Re: Seven years on, what do we know about the disappearance of flight MH370? (2021)

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Post by nakedneuron »

> Exactly one minute and forty-three seconds later, a dramatic and mysterious sequence of events would begin to unfold, the opening chapter in a story that transfixed the world.

https://bocpages.org/wiki/Magic_Window

> "Magic Window" is track number 23 on the Geogaddi album. The song is one minute and forty-six seconds of pure silence.

Re: Seven years on, what do we know about the disappearance of flight MH370? (2021)

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Post by braymundo »

washywashy wrote: post #293

Once on a flight headed west I happened to look out the window and just then another plane flew beneath the plane I was on headed north-ish and quickly off into the distance. I remember thinking two things: 1. It was far away from us so quickly it kind of shocked me, although it makes perfect sense of course. 2. I felt like i got a really good view of it. It didn’t look far away at all altitude-wise as it passed bene…

And sometimes they do collide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gol_Transportes_Aéreos_Flight_...

Re: Seven years on, what do we know about the disappearance of flight MH370? (2021)

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Post by moffkalast »

loeg wrote: post #214
moffkalast wrote: post #144

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Well the found wreckage pieces apparently point to a controlled ditching, so it's not entirely impossible for the guy to be alive somehow.

In the middle of the Indian ocean, thousands of miles from land. It's unlikely.

Yeah he almost certainly drowned or died on impact, but imagine if he brought a parachute and jumped out a bit before, then got picked up by a friend in a boat. That would be some serious DB Cooper shit. Wouldn't really make sense for a guy committing suicide though I guess.

Re: Seven years on, what do we know about the disappearance of flight MH370? (2021)

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Post by moffkalast »

DonaldFisk wrote: post #283
agnos wrote: post #223

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Unlikely that he's still alive, but the evidence of a controlled landing makes the whole thing more puzzling from a psychological perspective. Why slowly and consciously drag it out until the very bitter end when you've already completed your suicide mission?

MH370 was out of control when it hit the water, according to the ATSB: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/mh370-latest-debris-a...

> Several leading air crash investigators, along with the French team that initially examined the flaperon, reported that the damage to the trailing edge would be consistent with the plane impacting the water in a level attitude with the flaps extended to the landing position. The fact that the flaperon (as well as several other pieces) were relatively intact also suggested that the energy of the impact couldn’t have been especially great.

Just some fun speculation on what's written in the original article, not like we'll ever know for sure.

Re: Seven years on, what do we know about the disappearance of flight MH370? (2021)

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Post by Daniel_sk »

bdowling wrote: post #249
somat wrote: post #115

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I don't think you can open the door on a 777 in flight. For comparison the plane that D B Cooper used had a stairway in the back(sometimes called airstairs). He was able to override the in flight lock and get out that way. My understanding is that the db cooper incident is in a large part why they don't put airstairs on planes any more. But now you have me watching videos on 777 doors. they open outward than forwards…

For those who don't know (I didn't), D. B. Cooper is a 1971 hijacker who skydived out the back of a 727 with a $200,000 ransom and was never found. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._B._Cooper

Very fascinating read. Thanks.

Re: Seven years on, what do we know about the disappearance of flight MH370? (2021)

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Post by ignoramous »

andrewflnr wrote: post #261
ignoramous wrote: post #156

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It is just a note. I don't mean it to sound anything other than what Wikipedia itself states. I see a tonne of "Wikipedia agrees" but none of "Wikipedia is a living document" and it isn't its place to be a gospel of truth...

The phrase "Wikipedia agrees" succinctly encodes the correct degree of confidence, as opposed to "it's true, see Wikipedia".

An argument can be made, I guess, if one leaves out the exclamation... "Wikipedia agrees!"
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