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Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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I hate to be the contrarian voice, but I really don't like where things are headed with these types of assistive tools. I like the idea of using it partially to help complement some effort that you've done yourself, but the idea that you're using both an LLM to produce the story and a diffusion model to produce the pictures makes the entire piece of work almost devoid of individual effort. Using them to produce a pri…

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Are you afraid of Roko's Basilisk?

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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There is a market, at least within south east asia, that mass produces stories like aesop's fables, and regional folklore. The books produced are thin 2minute reads and are available for purchase for less than 1 USD usually. It's not surprising to see grammatical and spelling errors slip into the prints of some of these books. The artwork is basic and while stylistically more consistent than OP's effort, it's entirel…

Maybe an app for parents to make one with the content they want available as an ebook for x a month

I'm working on something like this

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

#33

I hate to be the contrarian voice, but I really don't like where things are headed with these types of assistive tools. I like the idea of using it partially to help complement some effort that you've done yourself, but the idea that you're using both an LLM to produce the story and a diffusion model to produce the pictures makes the entire piece of work almost devoid of individual effort. Using them to produce a pri…

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Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

#34

I hate to be the contrarian voice, but I really don't like where things are headed with these types of assistive tools. I like the idea of using it partially to help complement some effort that you've done yourself, but the idea that you're using both an LLM to produce the story and a diffusion model to produce the pictures makes the entire piece of work almost devoid of individual effort. Using them to produce a pri…

Another strong agree. These models don't understand anything, they just produce something that is statistically (at many levels) close enough that it will fool most of the people, most of the time.

For those that are increasingly happy to live in, and raise their children in, that fake and simplistic environment, I suppose it's their call. But reading/watching/living in that simpler, dumber environment can't be good for our intellect and higher abilities.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

#35

I hate to be the contrarian voice, but I really don't like where things are headed with these types of assistive tools. I like the idea of using it partially to help complement some effort that you've done yourself, but the idea that you're using both an LLM to produce the story and a diffusion model to produce the pictures makes the entire piece of work almost devoid of individual effort. Using them to produce a pri…

I think it’s great. We should then be able to develop systems which separate the wheat from the chaff. And that is progress.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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post #28

I hate to be the contrarian voice, but I really don't like where things are headed with these types of assistive tools. I like the idea of using it partially to help complement some effort that you've done yourself, but the idea that you're using both an LLM to produce the story and a diffusion model to produce the pictures makes the entire piece of work almost devoid of individual effort. Using them to produce a pri…

Completely agree. People really don't understand where this is going. It's not like society lacks mediocre mid-brow content as it is. LLM's and diffusion models reduce the cost of production to basically zero, and we now have an endless supply mediocre content. Extend it out a few 10x improvements, and we get an endless stream of so-so Netflix shows produced with zero effort. Basically WALL-E made real.

People are ultimately going to do that. And if we really can't figure out a book written by an AI from that written by a human, then what's the point of all of it? Eventually good authors will still succeed as their writing style will not be squeezed out of the grand summation of all the writings in the world.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely agree. People really don't understand where this is going. It's not like society lacks mediocre mid-brow content as it is. LLM's and diffusion models reduce the cost of production to basically zero, and we now have an endless supply mediocre content. Extend it out a few 10x improvements, and we get an endless stream of so-so Netflix shows produced with zero effort. Basically WALL-E made real.

People are ultimately going to do that. And if we really can't figure out a book written by an AI from that written by a human, then what's the point of all of it? Eventually good authors will still succeed as their writing style will not be squeezed out of the grand summation of all the writings in the world.

There are a lot of negative consequences:

1. Entire classes of skilled jobs are eliminated, only the most elite writers and artists can make money

2. Value for story creation gets concentrated in the few companies that own and operate the best LLM's and best stable diffusion models

3. Society becomes more fragmented because we are all watching different content

These are just a few I'm able to think of in 2 minutes.

It's a common mistake to assume all technological progress is an unadulterated good. Just look at all the unanticipated negatives that came out of the computer revolution, like every technological revolution before it.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

#38
post #21

There is a market, at least within south east asia, that mass produces stories like aesop's fables, and regional folklore. The books produced are thin 2minute reads and are available for purchase for less than 1 USD usually. It's not surprising to see grammatical and spelling errors slip into the prints of some of these books. The artwork is basic and while stylistically more consistent than OP's effort, it's entirel…

Maybe an app for parents to make one with the content they want available as an ebook for x a month

This is already happening https://www.pcmag.com/news/amazon-uses-ai-to-generate-animat...

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

#39

Yeah there was a very viral piece of news last month about a guy who did this exact same thing for his kid: https://80.lv/articles/children-s-book-generated-with-chatgp... Though I think the overall response was mixed. EDIT: coincidentally enough, both share a character with the same name, "sparkles". All of these GPT generated plots have the same formulaic tone to them.

To be honest I had the same thought 10-15 years ago when I was reading stories to my daughter. It was all written after a template, changing names of places, characters and goals for the story. Many were based on Harry Potter with kids going to magic schools and saving the world. Even a series of them with exactly the same story in each book, just a new goal for each book. The series covered half a shelf at the local library. Daughter quickly got tired of them and we started reading Terry Pratchett instead.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

#40
post #28

I hate to be the contrarian voice, but I really don't like where things are headed with these types of assistive tools. I like the idea of using it partially to help complement some effort that you've done yourself, but the idea that you're using both an LLM to produce the story and a diffusion model to produce the pictures makes the entire piece of work almost devoid of individual effort. Using them to produce a pri…

Completely agree. People really don't understand where this is going. It's not like society lacks mediocre mid-brow content as it is. LLM's and diffusion models reduce the cost of production to basically zero, and we now have an endless supply mediocre content. Extend it out a few 10x improvements, and we get an endless stream of so-so Netflix shows produced with zero effort. Basically WALL-E made real.

It doesn't look to me like the cost of production was zero and the content really wasn't bad. For anyone who didn't read to the end, the author (operator?) explains his process:

> I typed a series of prompts to ChatGPT to get it to write me a story with the following plot:

> Once upon a time there was porcupine. Every day, she baked a loaf of bread. One day the loaf disappeared. Because of that, she had too much butter. Because of that, things got slippery. Until finally she opened the first ever butter theme park.

He mentions elsewhere that generating the images was a lot of work.

So basically he and his friends had an oddball premise for a story, and with some non-trivial amount of labor, he produced a story which was far from the worst thing I've read on HN.

It was actually pretty clever for a kids' story and the illustrations were good. The finished product was better than the prompt. Somehow the process produced a fairy, a plot twist and slabs of butter riding a roller coaster.

Where's the crisis here? A person came up with an idea and used a tool to generate a work product from it. Without that tool he would have needed to hire a professional illustrator and maybe a writer. I bet this took a fair bit of work to do right. But the technology enabled a creative work that wouldn't have occurred otherwise.

I have no doubt there will be tons of crappy spam enabled by ChatGPT too, but frankly this little story wasn't it, it was humorous and I doubt it was a trivial endeavor.

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