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The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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Given median comp at Google, working at Google is quite privileged. Going to Stanford is likewise privileged. Being privileged isn't an insult, just a recognition of fact.

By that logic everyone in the world is privileged compared to those earning 5% less than them, including every person here complaining about a Google employee's privilege. So what does that word mean exactly?

A wise woman once said: "Now is the envy of all of the dead"

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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I'll say something I wish someone told me in my 20's: most leadership/upper management is poor. I've worked at FAANGs, a unicorn, and currently @ a company that recently IPO'd. Most people in product leadership neither really understand how to make original ideas that effect the product at a high level or the technical details of the product, their responsibility is to be good stewards of a certain revenue stream and…

> most leadership/upper management is poor Most everyone who is not in leadership/upper management has endless complaints about what idiots they are.

Well, maybe they are right.

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given median comp at Google, working at Google is quite privileged. Going to Stanford is likewise privileged. Being privileged isn't an insult, just a recognition of fact.

By that logic everyone in the world is privileged compared to those earning 5% less than them, including every person here complaining about a Google employee's privilege. So what does that word mean exactly?

With a few exceptions, everyone here on HN is wildly privileged. The .0001% of world-history.

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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Obviously it is impossible to measure this sort of thing objectively, but if you know enough people that bounce around in FAANGs or check Blind, this is pretty widely the opinion.

Blind turns into the worst version of a company pretty quickly. It would have you believe that both anyone can get a job at certain companies and that others fire their entire staff. My understanding is that google historically simply didn’t give raises or approve projects for under performers. As long as someone didn’t rock the boat or put up low quality CRs, or stop working entirely, they would be left alone - and…

While I was at Google, I witnessed several people be put on "performance improvement plans" for three perf rounds, and then get fired.

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given median comp at Google, working at Google is quite privileged. Going to Stanford is likewise privileged. Being privileged isn't an insult, just a recognition of fact.

By that logic everyone in the world is privileged compared to those earning 5% less than them, including every person here complaining about a Google employee's privilege. So what does that word mean exactly?

If you go to the other extreme no one but the richest person on earth is priviledged.

Come on, making 300k a year or more is privilege even within the context of US white collar jobs.

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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Everyone keeps complaining about being locked out of systems with just an email. Seriously, why do you care about this? You don't work there anymore: say goodbye to your friends over text message or email. The reason from the employer's side is obvious: knowledgeable, angry people with access to sensitive systems can wreak a lot of havoc. So take your severance and get out! Locking people out of systems is not a new…

Imagine working at a company for 16 years only to discover you were laid off when your badge no longer works on your way to work. You can say "duh, told you so" and "well you got severance so suck it up", but it does not take away from the emotional impact of losing a major part of your identity.

There are many lessons for us to take away from the layoffs this year, and it helps no one to trivialize it into cold facts. It has a real impact on people.

By the way, these large companies have more than capable LDAP systems to lockdown access without nuking everything from orbit. The damage the companies fear when cutting access immediately is, in reality, probably the damage that is happening as employees create internal lists of who was laid off. The damage are companies burning good will during record profits.

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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How can you have any real opinion on it without knowing people’s comp level?

Levels are public at Google, unlike Meta, or Netflix that (formerly) did not have them at all.

> Levels are public at Google, unlike Meta, or Netflix that (formerly) did not have them at all.

Well, yes, before they had levels, they did not have levels.

I'm not sure this is much a a statement however - Meta has had levels for many, many years.

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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post #47

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Are places like HP and Dell really comparable to Google on TC? You can also chill out working at a quiet local bookstore or other “BaristaFIRE” jobs that people like, but you’re not getting paid $500k to do it… (Microsoft definitely competes now)

There's probably a significant difference when you factor in stock appreciation (particularly for the long timers), but I'd wager base salary stays within 10-20% at all these companies for the same level/experience/location.

you might be pretty far off, even at the new grad level I've seen 50% difference between peers at a FAANG vs. other large tech co.

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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You work for google because you make insane money and have cachet you can take anywhere and get hired instantly. Hell, you can pull in 10 million funding for your startup idea if you like. Or just retire, get a boat, go sailing. Of course all of this had to go bad. Come on now. Stop whining already. I work in the IT sewer fighting rats. I will always have work. I'm filthy and I smell bad, but I'm doing fine, and no,…

Observing super priviliged people whining about how unfair it is to get laid off is really something.

The priviliged were fired by the super priviliged.

The middle class VS upper class is a perfectly legitimate conflict.

Suppose you were are from a lower class, surely the middle class has more interests in common with you than the capital-class does?

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