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Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

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Post by traverseda »

lurker_jMckQT99 wrote: post #50
jerf wrote: post #18

If you're worried about costs, I run Nextcloud locally in my house, and just deal with the fact it's not externally available. Everything syncs when it is in the house, which is just about always for the laptops and pretty often for the cell phones, and when it is out and about it just doesn't. It all works out. I have a backup process running on it, but back up disk space is a lot cheaper than live disk space attach…

I run Nextcloud "locally" too. It's "local" in the sense that it sits on an laptop-turned-server by my desk [0]. Add a domain name, a simple dynamic DNS [1] and a forwarding rule on your router ; your local machine is now reachable from everywhere. No (useless for that usecase) additional intermediary like Tailscale in the middle. It has the added benefit of allowing you to share everything that is on Nextcloud with…

Lack of hairpin NAT makes that very challenging on my network, I mean I can access things from inside and outside the network but I have to use different domain names.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#192

Post by t-writescode »

jerf wrote: post #190
t-writescode wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and just deal with the fact it's not externally available I'm confused about this part. The default Docker implementation and Docker AIO implementation expect you to have a website that you point to to make it work. They auto-get SSL certs against that website. Has this not been everyone else's experience?

The docker image I'm using runs over HTTP just fine. The client can be prompted to use it manually. Since it's only internal, I'm dealing with it (and it doesn't share any passwords). Is it a bad idea? Yeah, sure, but given that it's not publicly routable if you're attacking my HTTP port as far as I'm concerned I've already lost. So there's no security situation that internal HTTPS will change, as far as I'm concerne…

My greater surprise / confusion is that the way the comment was written, it sounded like that was the default implementation and that you were unable to change it (despite wanting to). This was confusing and didn't correspond with my experience.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#193

Post by gwnywg »

alex_sf wrote: post #148
miedpo wrote: post #36

Hey, So I would probably avoid Amazon just because many of their services charge for data out. It isn't out, but it's a variable for you, and you probaly want something that's flat per month. Cheapest you are going to get with somewhat reliable service is either going to be Hetzner or BuyVM. Hetzner is better for someone who doesn't want to tinker, BuyVM for those who do (BuyVM is a little less reliable, but you can…

I've been doing email related things for 15 years. Do not host your own email.

Interesting, I'm hosting my email since 2011 and I can't understand why would you advice against.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#194

Post by gwnywg »

seanw444 wrote: post #185
alex_sf wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been doing email related things for 15 years. Do not host your own email.

To clarify: it's not hard to set it up. It'll just be useless because all your emails to people will be marked as spam. And it takes years to have a chance at getting a good enough "algorithmic reputation" to be pulled out of that bin. The state of email is disappointing and sad. It is possibly one of the most centralized decentralized protocols/networks on the planet. We need a good replacement for it. It's so legac…

My email is not landing in spam for people I do business with, others need to add me to white list, do you think this is a problem? I don't, I believe more of us are self hosting less of a problem this will be.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#195

Post by derefr »

johnklos wrote: post #145
derefr wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Over the long term, I don’t trust a NAS in my house to hold my photo collection (online.) Not because of the NAS, but because of my house. Living spaces have a lot of factors that people optimize for when picking them. Data centres only have a few, and one of the most important is “is not prone to natural disasters.” Another is “has clean power with well-implemented surge and lightning-strike protection, and likely a…

Yes - you're absolutely right to have off-site backups. In the past I've had reciprocal backups with others for years, where I host a small box of theirs and they host a small box of mine for exactly this. Also, having had a colocated box be literally under water during Hurricane Sandy while at a real, proper datacenter in Manhattan, I can say that a thousand year flood can be just as much a concern for datacenters a…

> I don't assume that data encrypted in shared hosting is safe, because hypervisors can be used to pull keys from memory.

Well, surely not, but that’s not what I was talking about; I said E2E-encrypted. The remote (the cloud, or your NAS) shouldn’t be doing any encryption or decryption. It should be a dumb store for your client-side-encrypted data.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#196

Post by zinekeller »

gwnywg wrote: post #194
seanw444 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To clarify: it's not hard to set it up. It'll just be useless because all your emails to people will be marked as spam. And it takes years to have a chance at getting a good enough "algorithmic reputation" to be pulled out of that bin. The state of email is disappointing and sad. It is possibly one of the most centralized decentralized protocols/networks on the planet. We need a good replacement for it. It's so legac…

My email is not landing in spam for people I do business with, others need to add me to white list, do you think this is a problem? I don't, I believe more of us are self hosting less of a problem this will be.

You said that you're hosting since 2011, which makes sense since you're essentially grandfathered in.

If you have set up a new system without any reputation now, even if you have set up DKIM and SPF, it's now a lot worse. Major providers like Google and Microsoft won't really tell you, but if you are new but don't have a dedicated AS and instead you're using (for example) Linode you'll be scored lower by having low-cost solutions that just so happens to be abused by spammers.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#197

Post by apfsx »

miedpo wrote: post #36

Hey, So I would probably avoid Amazon just because many of their services charge for data out. It isn't out, but it's a variable for you, and you probaly want something that's flat per month. Cheapest you are going to get with somewhat reliable service is either going to be Hetzner or BuyVM. Hetzner is better for someone who doesn't want to tinker, BuyVM for those who do (BuyVM is a little less reliable, but you can…

Glad to see BuyVM mentioned here because I was just about to suggest it, I've been using them for close to a year now and nothing I've found comes close to the performance to dollar you get with them, their services are great +1

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#198

Post by BirAdam »

lurker_jMckQT99 wrote: post #50
jerf wrote: post #18

If you're worried about costs, I run Nextcloud locally in my house, and just deal with the fact it's not externally available. Everything syncs when it is in the house, which is just about always for the laptops and pretty often for the cell phones, and when it is out and about it just doesn't. It all works out. I have a backup process running on it, but back up disk space is a lot cheaper than live disk space attach…

I run Nextcloud "locally" too. It's "local" in the sense that it sits on an laptop-turned-server by my desk [0]. Add a domain name, a simple dynamic DNS [1] and a forwarding rule on your router ; your local machine is now reachable from everywhere. No (useless for that usecase) additional intermediary like Tailscale in the middle. It has the added benefit of allowing you to share everything that is on Nextcloud with…

I just use Cloudflares tunnels instead of dyndns.

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#199

Post by mattbee »

alex_sf wrote: post #148
miedpo wrote: post #36

Hey, So I would probably avoid Amazon just because many of their services charge for data out. It isn't out, but it's a variable for you, and you probaly want something that's flat per month. Cheapest you are going to get with somewhat reliable service is either going to be Hetzner or BuyVM. Hetzner is better for someone who doesn't want to tinker, BuyVM for those who do (BuyVM is a little less reliable, but you can…

I've been doing email related things for 15 years. Do not host your own email.

As ever with these discussions, I host my own email on a Hetzner VM with https://mailu.io/ and there was no special setup or precaution required to ensure delivery both ways.

Still - if you self-host just assume at some point it will go down and you may have to deal with a backup restore before you can receive any more email. If that gets in the way of your life, you may want to reconsider :)

Re: Ask HN: Self-hosting in 2023: Nextcloud on Linode, or...?

#200

Post by mattbee »

zinekeller wrote: post #196
gwnywg wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My email is not landing in spam for people I do business with, others need to add me to white list, do you think this is a problem? I don't, I believe more of us are self hosting less of a problem this will be.

You said that you're hosting since 2011, which makes sense since you're essentially grandfathered in. If you have set up a new system without any reputation now , even if you have set up DKIM and SPF, it's now a lot worse. Major providers like Google and Microsoft won't really tell you, but if you are new but don't have a dedicated AS and instead you're using (for example) Linode you'll be scored lower by having low-…

Hetzner has been fine for me, only since 2018.
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