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PagerDuty to Lay Off 7% of Staff; Revenue Officer to Exit

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Re: PagerDuty to Lay Off 7% of Staff; Revenue Officer to Exit

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Post by Rapzid »

paxys wrote: post #59
gkoberger wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, I don't think it's fair to call a CRO a scapegoat... it's literally their job.

I'd say making money is the CEO's primary job. You can't just hire a "CRO" or whatever other random C title and blame them when things go south at the company. I doubt the person fired had that much influence on company headcount, product strategy and operational budgets.

I think it's both a way to delegate and shield the CEOs 12m base pay from economic uncertainty haha.

To your point though, seems PDs revenue and other numbers are doing pretty darn good year-over-year..

Re: PagerDuty to Lay Off 7% of Staff; Revenue Officer to Exit

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Post by claytonjy »

makestuff wrote: post #123
mullingitover wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pagerduty doesn't have a big moat, either. They've just cut loose a bunch of people who know the intimate details of how to build a product exactly like theirs, ripe for the plucking by a competitor who knows they have a business with healthy margins. Looking forward to more competition in this space, PD is not as cheap as it should be.

big cloud providers will probably throw this in for free or really cheap.

they haven't yet though, have they? why not? this isn't a new market need.

Something like AWS Pager would make a lot of sense to me...but I could also imagine it being like AWS CodeCommit or CodeDeploy, a weird and inferior service you only use when your boss' boss decided to be really cheap 3 years ago.

Re: PagerDuty to Lay Off 7% of Staff; Revenue Officer to Exit

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Post by axcaswd »

claytonjy wrote: post #4
WJW wrote: post #3

I know it's in fashion to have a cutesy name for your employees these days, but "Dutonian" is really stretching it haha.

It is a bit silly, but I kinda like it. I'm generally pretty anti-koolaid, but having a shared unique term for yourself and your coworkers seems like a reasonable way to build some positive tribalism, even if it's a stretch linguistically.

I've been here for 3 years and I still don't know where "dutonian" came from. At this point I'm too afraid to ask.

Re: PagerDuty to Lay Off 7% of Staff; Revenue Officer to Exit

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Post by landemva »

baby-yoda wrote: post #139
kodah wrote: post #134

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No, but by that logic they knew what was going to happen if they hired people and did so anyway. That doesn't even pass the most basic of ethical smell tests.

I don't think its quite that simple without knowing who specifically was laid off, tenure, specialty, for what reason, etc. I cant imagine anyone would hire people with the intention of laying them off, so I can't agree with that conclusion. I'd guess they hired with the intention of growing the company and for a myriad of reasons that didn't happen. Expansion and contraction are normal cycles in a company.

> I cant imagine anyone would hire people with the intention of laying them off

Some groups in companies which require forced ranking and culling slyly do this.

Re: PagerDuty to Lay Off 7% of Staff; Revenue Officer to Exit

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Post by ativzzz »

cooperadymas wrote: post #71
ativzzz wrote: post #53

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If you're a business paying software engineer salaries, that 500 / user is basically pennies compared to paying someone to maintain a homegrown system

That's what everyone keeps telling you until you're locked into 30+ services equaling an additional 20% of each employee's salary, plus the time to educate on and maintain those services. And then they don't even communicate with one another.

Yup now imagine you built all of those in house and how much more of a nightmare it would be to maintain those services. That's basically a separate software product right there

Re: PagerDuty to Lay Off 7% of Staff; Revenue Officer to Exit

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Post by lanstein »

axcaswd wrote: post #154
claytonjy wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a bit silly, but I kinda like it. I'm generally pretty anti-koolaid, but having a shared unique term for yourself and your coworkers seems like a reasonable way to build some positive tribalism, even if it's a stretch linguistically.

I've been here for 3 years and I still don't know where "dutonian" came from. At this point I'm too afraid to ask.

Oriana I think

Re: PagerDuty to Lay Off 7% of Staff; Revenue Officer to Exit

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Post by wlonkly »

axcaswd wrote: post #154
claytonjy wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a bit silly, but I kinda like it. I'm generally pretty anti-koolaid, but having a shared unique term for yourself and your coworkers seems like a reasonable way to build some positive tribalism, even if it's a stretch linguistically.

I've been here for 3 years and I still don't know where "dutonian" came from. At this point I'm too afraid to ask.

It predates me (6 years), I don't know the origin either, except for coming from "Duty". At least we're not Pageys. There can be only one.

The real curse of PagerDuty, though, is calling everything "-duty". Parental leave is BabyDuty, the training department is LearningDuty, the LGBTQ ERG is RainbowDuty, you get the idea.

Hat-tip to our veterans ERG for not going with DutyDuty, although I hope it was in the running at least.

(I mean I also kind of love it, but you know, it's a lot.)

Re: PagerDuty to Lay Off 7% of Staff; Revenue Officer to Exit

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Post by jmartens »

phpisthebest wrote: post #55
mullingitover wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pagerduty doesn't have a big moat, either. They've just cut loose a bunch of people who know the intimate details of how to build a product exactly like theirs, ripe for the plucking by a competitor who knows they have a business with healthy margins. Looking forward to more competition in this space, PD is not as cheap as it should be.

We need a competitor. I find PagerDuty to be over priced for what they are, and Atlassian is doing their best to destroy all of their services including OpsGenie which was very good until Atlassian bought them Those are the big 2 in the space, who else is there?

Ex-PagerDuty here....my company uses Grafana Cloud and we love it!

Re: PagerDuty to Lay Off 7% of Staff; Revenue Officer to Exit

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Post by jmartens »

GauntletWizard wrote: post #90
phpisthebest wrote: post #55

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We need a competitor. I find PagerDuty to be over priced for what they are, and Atlassian is doing their best to destroy all of their services including OpsGenie which was very good until Atlassian bought them Those are the big 2 in the space, who else is there?

Grafana has an Oncall tool now. I've not tried it, but will soon - I'm generally a fan of their products. https://grafana.com/products/oncall/

Big fan
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