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The Disappearance of the Ashtray

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Re: The Disappearance of the Ashtray

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During a short visit to Washington DC, my eight year-old son was delighted to find a bowl of matchbooks by the door in a restaurant. He'd seen matchsticks, but never a matchbook. I had forgotten about that small moment of juvenile joy grabbing a matchbook on the way out of a restaurant.

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Sure, but - statistically/historically - how many fires were recorded in airplanes due to smoking (or to the use of lighter or matches)? Mind you, I do smoke but still find a good idea to ban smoke on board of aircrafts, though I don't think it has ever been a relevant risk (compared to all the risks implied in flights). BTW (and AFAIK) the real issue (money) was the cost to the companies of cleaning/replacing the fi…

The 2016 EgyptAir plane crash of flight MS804 which had been, at the time, attributed by Egyptian authorities to terrorism, was eventually found to have been caused by the pilot smoking a cigarette in the cockpit, French investigators have concluded. https://greekreporter.com/2022/04/30/2016-egyptair-plane-cra... Crashing isn't the only risk: In-flight air quality measurements in approximately 250 aircraft, generalis…

Yep, but I was talking of the fire risk only, not of the presumed health ones.

One case (BTW of a cigarette lighted near an open oxigen respirator) doesn't make smoking on board a fire safety risk.

As said, I find a good idea to ban smoking on board (for a number of reasons, including passengers and personnel health ) but not because it is a relevant/meaningful fire hazard.

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Smoking on planes is absolutely something I can't wrap my head around in any possible way. How the hell someone EVER thought it would be a good idea to let people smoke while packed inside a flying metal cylinder?

I read somewhere that banning smoking on planes lead to a lot of deep vein thrombosis cases, as they didn't need to swap the air out as much leading to higher c02 levels. But stupid shortsightedness aside; it was crazy, they needed to put the smokers (which was me at the time) at the back of the plane as that's the direction of the airflow inside, but the toilets were at the back so everyone had to walk through the s…

A carbon dioxide - DVT link? Sure sounds like bunk. Please be careful of spreading medical misinformation.

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The article says in the 60's 40% of Americans smoked and now it's down to 11%. Meaning in the 60's 40% of Americans were on stimulants and now it's down. What affect does having so much of the population on stimulants have? What affect does having much fewer of the population on stimulants have?

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It's tough to portray just how ubiquitous smoking was to a modern audience. You would go to a restaurant and the first thing your hostess would ask is "smoking or non"? I remember standing in a checkout line in the 80s as a child and being fascinated with the billowing clouds of smoke an old lady blew. I remember coming home from bars reeking of smoke, even though I didn't. Even teachers had their own lounges that re…

Smoke in bars could be so thick it would sting your eyes and your clothes would reek after you left.

The irony of worrying about your lungs while you're destroying your liver.

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#497
You used to be able to smoke at your desk at work!

I had an office that was stained yellow because my predecessor smoked. Even after they banned smoking in buildings, the owner/CEO etc would still do it. They'd get a little window installed, a fan, or a pull-out drawer that had an ashtray in it.

I haven't seen a computer destroyed by cigarette smoke in a looong time.

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I read somewhere that banning smoking on planes lead to a lot of deep vein thrombosis cases, as they didn't need to swap the air out as much leading to higher c02 levels. But stupid shortsightedness aside; it was crazy, they needed to put the smokers (which was me at the time) at the back of the plane as that's the direction of the airflow inside, but the toilets were at the back so everyone had to walk through the s…

A carbon dioxide - DVT link? Sure sounds like bunk. Please be careful of spreading medical misinformation.

Yeah, that one sounds weird on the face of it.

If anything would have an effect, I'd guess the relative absense of nicotine in people would be a big part.

Though I thought nicotine _causes_ blood clots, it's possible that that's a chronic effect and the acute effect would prevent them, I'm not sure.

Re: The Disappearance of the Ashtray

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I am so glad smoking is prohibited in public places. I can't stand it all, and my wife is allergic to it. Next I would love to see more restrictions on driving loud noised cars and bikes, every time I see a Harley owner ride by with a loud noise or a truck owner drive by, I can't feel anything but contempt for such lowlife humans who have no regards for other people's and animals' sensitivities.

>I can't feel anything but contempt for such lowlife humans Sounds to me like you could use some therapy, it's not good to have this much hatred inside. It's ok if someone does something that bothers you, some noise or some smoke won't kill you, it's just perspective, objectively it doesn't hurt you in any way, but the reason it does is because you have these strong beliefs against it, so you basically choose to be h…

Have some sympathy for people that are sensitive to noise. The OP didn't mention babies, he mentioned motorcycles and loud trucks.

Re: The Disappearance of the Ashtray

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Snus isn't actually legal in a lot of places. As in - it's legal to have, but you can't buy it anywhere(most of EU and UK I believe).

it's quite a shame, because it's much cleaner and less dangerous than other ways of taking up nicotine.

Pretty much only better than actually smoking, right?
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