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The words you say can make you a Nazi.
Dunno, seems tricky. If we equate keyboard warriors with the people who actually commit atrocities, we're in a sense lowering the severity of those atrocities to be equal to being a sad edge lord.
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Dunno, seems tricky. If we equate keyboard warriors with the people who actually commit atrocities, we're in a sense lowering the severity of those atrocities to be equal to being a sad edge lord.
The ones who actually commit atrocities always start out as edgelords.
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Dunno, seems tricky. If we equate keyboard warriors with the people who actually commit atrocities, we're in a sense lowering the severity of those atrocities to be equal to being a sad edge lord.
read about "radio milles collines" for something relatively recent
There's numerous examples of people being stirred into violent mobs over such things as the wrong person being considered for papacy.
e.g.
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hardcore or just keyboard ones? I would estimate only a small % go beyond that.
The words you say can make you a Nazi.
Generally a high-school level of history (assuming you're paying the normal level of attention) leaves you with the impression that Germans got sad and mad and poor because of the Treaty of Versailles, hyperinflation and the 'German martial spirit' or something and then Hitler appeared out of nowhere to do bad stuff.
Reading "The Coming of the Third Reich" by Richard J. Evans was eye-opening in this regard. The Nazis did nothing more than tie together several existing culturally accepted themes more successfully than other fringe groups in Weimar politics. The swastika as a far-right symbol wasn't even 'invented' by them.
The Nazis to some extent were incidental, or didn't represent a step-change from the thoughts, politics and speech that were already circulating broadly in pre-Nazi society. This is what free-speech primacists seem to neglect. The Nazi ideology didn't arise from nowhere, death camps weren't the start, they were the end of 30 plus years of increasing acceptability and propagation of far-right ideas (stab in the back myths, casual and scientific anti-Semitism, anti-communist and anti-left propaganda, mainstream scientific eugenics, etc).
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#26This is a reminder that free speech laws are different in Canada. Canadians do not have the right to free speech the way Americans do. Property rights are also missing.
do you mean Canada actually has laws to define what you may say or not ?
I'm always upset with Americans companies when they moderate the content with their ToS and arbitrary moderation. Often they even delegated to users, by threatening to ban them if they didn't delete something they don't like. They don't even properly define what they don't like, so that you delete any controversial content and just chase likes.
And these American companies or their users just take down whatever they want, even if it's legal. That's not free speech.
In Europe, you used to have proper objective laws, and a court had to decide if a content was illegal. Even nowadays, I can report hate speech, scams, and other forms of actually illegal content to the police. They will properly investigate and the author can go to trial, like this man in Canada. That's proper rule of law.
In the USA, the moderation would just delete the content like nothing happened, and then hater speechers are free to go to the Daily Stormer or other companies with compatible ToS.
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#27This is a reminder that free speech laws are different in Canada. Canadians do not have the right to free speech the way Americans do. Property rights are also missing.
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#28Because the attacks this hate causes are "random".
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#29Anyone know what he actually posted? I'm trying to find that to get some context. I'm sure it was awful if it was on the Daily Stormer but, I'm interested to see how awful. Edit: I found one of the articles referenced in the complaint[1]. They allege he wrote 800 articles for the site but that's the only one they're associating to him as far as I can tell? However, I'm not very good at reading legal docs. Located her…
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#30This is a reminder that free speech laws are different in Canada. Canadians do not have the right to free speech the way Americans do. Property rights are also missing.
>free speech laws are different in Canada do you mean Canada actually has laws to define what you may say or not ? I'm always upset with Americans companies when they moderate the content with their ToS and arbitrary moderation. Often they even delegated to users, by threatening to ban them if they didn't delete something they don't like. They don't even properly define what they don't like, so that you delete any co…
First Amendment aside, I fear that restricting speech would result in a backlash from Neo-Nazi types, or worse, a national situation like The Gulag Archipelago describes.
How about teaching to think and write more accurately instead. "I would not have subjected my child to the humiliation of wearing a slave collar and manacles, and then photographing him, and then publishing the photograph. He is clearly shying away from the camera. He appears to be at a critical age developmentally. He may grow to resent this experience rather than learning anything from it."
Sending them back to high school-level English to read Roots and Black Like Me, and then write a paper might work. Framing it that way as a court-mandated punishment does not sound great on its face.
I suspect that some keyboard nazis just need to be exposed to more moderate discourse. However, that will not happen if they silo their discussions in sites like The Daily Stormer.