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Re: Ask HN: How do ADHD people cope on here?

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Post by BatteryMountain »

hidelooktropic wrote: post #88
BatteryMountain wrote: post #34

Pi Hole with my own blocklist. That is, I block all of my problem sites, then let someone else set my pihole password and then I delete my ssh key off the server. Then on the phone, remove all apps that allows consumption (social media, games, readers, youtube, even the browser). Debloat it with adb too. Switch off all notification except for your main chat app (like whatsapp) and alarms. If still too distracting, se…

I completely disagree about caffeine. https://www.verywellmind.com/how-does-caffeine-affect-people... "if you don't learn to focus it." this is nonsensical and harmful

If you combine intermittent caffeine use with an intentional time-bound task, yes, very powerful combo.

Using caffeine as part of a routine and the binging youtube for 6 hours, unbounded time is a nightmare, esp if your days are blurred and you do it weeks at a time. You are basically then just shotgunning your mind further.

Re: Ask HN: How do ADHD people cope on here?

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Post by BatteryMountain »

z3c0 wrote: post #176
BatteryMountain wrote: post #34

Pi Hole with my own blocklist. That is, I block all of my problem sites, then let someone else set my pihole password and then I delete my ssh key off the server. Then on the phone, remove all apps that allows consumption (social media, games, readers, youtube, even the browser). Debloat it with adb too. Switch off all notification except for your main chat app (like whatsapp) and alarms. If still too distracting, se…

This seems like a very puritanical viewpoint. So much so, that it's a little peculiar and almost feels like a caricature. A life of avoidance does not help an ADHD brain, and the idea that your brain wants stuff to do is not the case at all. You will burn out very quickly going down that path. You'll get much further just taking a few times a day to slow your thoughts via meditation or engaging in a passive activity…

Not puritanical-intended at all.

The point being, remove all the stuff from your environment that hammers the brain 24/7, become a bit calmer, then use your newly freed minutes for intentional time-bound actions.

The way we all live is not normal to begin with.

Re: Ask HN: How do ADHD people cope on here?

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Post by crucialfelix »

techdragon wrote: post #274
crucialfelix wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run a script daily that fetches my chrome history and creates a daily web log file in my Obsidian. Daily, all links are fetched (as part of a larger web search product I'm working on). I can search this, but mostly i don't bother. I will soon add semantic search and see if there's any magic to be found in my data exhaust. Truth is I'm forced to spend my days googling dull problems and reading vaguely interesting ar…

Don’t suppose you have the script in a shareable form? That sounds pretty useful!

https://gist.github.com/crucialfelix/e53eb81ab07db618e36afb0...

  # summarize yesterday
  python summarize_day.py
  # summarize a day (3 month chrome history limit)
  python summarize_day.py --date 2023-01-12
  # summarize the last 90 days
  python summarize_day.py --days 90

Re: Ask HN: How do ADHD people cope on here?

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Post by ryloric »

z3c0 wrote: post #238
ryloric wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone who doesn't have it talks about it more or less like the way you did, "oh... why don't they just learn to control it like me instead of having all these rules". My comment is highly presumptive because your comment was extremely stereotypical of people who make light of it, maybe stop using words like 'puritanical' when describing what works for other people. Your impairments might be light to non-existent,…

Once again, you're being presumptive. I have a rather severe case of ADHD co-morbid with PTSD, and nothing that I've stated as a solution is easy. If anything, it requires more discipline than simply cutting out temptations. You will need to learn to recognize when "it's time" and step away to re-calibrate. This requires knowing oneself and being transparent about your problems with others. The routes described prior…

First, sorry. I was probably needlessly aggressive, I've heard similar words from everyone around me all my life and I may have assumed you were being similarly dismissive and gotten a bit angry.

I'm not saying you have to use commitment devices forever, but it's a great starting point. When one is deep into their faulty harmful behaviors, it's hard to have the mental energy to practice mindfulness and take a step back and exercise any sort of control over one's impulses. Maybe nine of out of ten times you may be successful in practicing mindfulness, but commitment devices[0] help you prevent that 1/10 from blowing your entire day up(or even week), precisely because they don't depend on your mental state at all. They let you precommit and make good decision for your future self when you are in a good state of mind, so you won't completely spiral down when you're in a bad state of mind. It's just another tool in the toolbox for dealing with ADHD.

[0] https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Commitment_device

Re: Ask HN: How do ADHD people cope on here?

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Post by RandomWorker »

stared wrote: post #15

> There’s a never ending number of things I bookmark. One of the key features of ADHD is a never-ending list of things to do. Edward M. Hallowell (who wrote "Driven to Distraction") remarks that perhaps it is the most characteristic feature of ADHD. Previously, browser crashes saved my sanity— killing dozens of open tabs with fascinating articles. Now I try to let it go . In a Zen/stoic way, knowing that nothing will…

Agree with everything here. I was liberated when I started to meditate, and even having concentration levels of just 5 seconds was a true revelation.

Also the write it down is so amazing. In meetings and while doing research I keep notes and lists for days, that I may never return to. But it’s active listening and studying even at a (seemingly) slow pace that keeps me going.

Re: Ask HN: How do ADHD people cope on here?

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Post by reify »

I was a psychotherapists for over 25 years working with children and families.

I don't see the the relevence of this question.

Isn't ADHD called attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder? Though Hyperactivity was dropped from the DSM-3 in 1980 and reinstated in 1996.

I do not see any links with saving bookmarks and ADHD. I too save hundreds of bookmarks and do not have ADHD! Isn't this just normal human bevaiour? Saving bookmarks does not seem to interfere with your daily functioning! Saving bookmarks does not seem to interfere with MY daily functioning!

You say: But the constant reality is that I will never ever be able to do all the things in my brain. BUT, "I will never ever" comment is unreasonable and unrealistic, the real reality is? that you can do all the things in your brain!

Do you really have ADHD?. Or are the symptoms you exihibit more related to the medication you take?

In the mid 1990's where I lived there were no instances of ADHD. I worked in a local children's psychotherapy service.

As far as I am concerned the prevalence of ADHD has been growing since then, from parents who beleived that all children should; "be seen and not heard", "should not be loud and unruly", "needed a medical reason to claim extra benefits", AND so it grew at the gates of all our local schools. Parents wanted robots and not children.

More and more children were referred to me with so called ADHD but in reality they were all just normal kids who had experienced and were still experiencing "Poor" parenting. How on earth can any reasobale parent allow their children to experience the negative and soul destroying impact of Ritalin and other ADHD drugs. Not to mention big Pharma in the pursuit of profit.

ADHD is marked by an ongoing pattern of inattention and or hyperactivity/impulsivity. Have difficulty staying on task, sustaining focus, and staying organized. The child may seem to move about constantly, fidget or talks too much. The child may act without thinking or have difficulty with self-control and the inability to delay gratification. Really!

Put a child in a room with an open box of chocolates and tell them they must not eat any chocolates. YEP, evey child will eat a chocolate! Doesn't every child get excited about everything? Doesn't every child experience life at a faster rate because their hearts are beating twice as fast as adults? Children do not have the attention span of an adult, even adults can only concentrate for 45 minutes before needing a rest, yet adults expect children to sit in class for hours at a time studying with 100% concentration.

ISN'T this normal bevaiour of all children? I was like this as a child and did not have ADHD.

I doubt ADHD is a relevent or even a genuine psychiatric condition or diagnosis.

If children were Psychiatrists they would rename ADHD as "Being a natural born child"

Re: Ask HN: How do ADHD people cope on here?

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Post by reify »

I was a psychotherapists for over 25 years working with children and families.

I don't see the the relevence of this question.

Isn't ADHD called attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder? Though Hyperactivity was dropped from the DSM-3 in 1980 and reinstated in 1996.

I do not see any links with saving bookmarks and ADHD. I too save hundreds of bookmarks and do not have ADHD! Isn't this just normal human bevaiour? Saving bookmarks does not seem to interfere with your daily functioning! Saving bookmarks does not seem to interfere with MY daily functioning!

You say: But the constant reality is that I will never ever be able to do all the things in my brain. BUT, "I will never ever" comment is unreasonable and unrealistic, the real reality is? that you can do all the things in your brain!

Do you really have ADHD?. Or are the symptoms you exihibit more related to the medication you take?

In the mid 1990's where I lived there were no instances of ADHD. I worked in a local children's psychotherapy service.

As far as I am concerned the prevalence of ADHD has been growing since then, from parents who beleived that all children should; "be seen and not heard", "should not be loud and unruly", "needed a medical reason to claim extra benefits", AND so it grew at the gates of all our local schools. Parents wanted robots and not children.

More and more children were referred to me with so called ADHD but in reality they were all just normal kids who had experienced and were still experiencing "Poor" parenting. How on earth can any reasobale parent allow their children to experience the negative and soul destroying impact of Ritalin and other ADHD drugs. Not to mention big Pharma in the pursuit of profit.

ADHD is marked by an ongoing pattern of inattention and or hyperactivity/impulsivity. Have difficulty staying on task, sustaining focus, and staying organized. The child may seem to move about constantly, fidget or talks too much. The child may act without thinking or have difficulty with self-control and the inability to delay gratification. Really!

Put a child in a room with an open box of chocolates and tell them they must not eat any chocolates. YEP, evey child will eat a chocolate! Doesn't every child get excited about everything? Doesn't every child experience life at a faster rate because their hearts are beating twice as fast as adults? Children do not have the attention span of an adult, even adults can only concentrate for 45 minutes before needing a rest, yet adults expect children to sit in class for hours at a time studying with 100% concentration.

ISN'T this normal bevaiour of all children? I was like this as a child and did not have ADHD.

I doubt ADHD is a relevent or even a genuine psychiatric condition or diagnosis.

If children were Psychiatrists they would rename ADHD as "Being a natural born child"

Re: Ask HN: How do ADHD people cope on here?

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Post by reify »

I was a psychotherapists for over 25 years working with children and families.

I don't see the the relevence of this question.

I do not see any links with saving bookmarks and ADHD. I too save hundreds of bookmarks and do not have ADHD! Isn't this just normal human bevaiour? Saving bookmarks does not seem to interfere with your daily functioning! Saving bookmarks does not seem to interfere with MY daily functioning!

You say: But the constant reality is that I will never ever be able to do all the things in my brain. BUT, "I will never ever" comment is unreasonable and unrealistic, the real reality is? that you can do all the things in your brain!

Do you really have ADHD?. Or are the symptoms you exihibit more related to the medication you take?

In the mid 1990's where I lived there were no instances of ADHD. I worked in a local children's psychotherapy service.

As far as I am concerned the prevalence of ADHD has been growing since then, from parents who beleived that all children should; "be seen and not heard", "should not be loud and unruly", "needed a medical reason to claim extra benefits", AND so it grew at the gates of all our local schools. Parents wanted robots and not children.

More and more children were referred to me with so called ADHD but in reality they were all just normal kids who had experienced and were still experiencing "Poor" parenting. How on earth can any reasobale parent allow their children to experience the negative and soul destroying impact of Ritalin and other ADHD drugs. Not to mention big Pharma in the pursuit of profit.

ADHD is marked by an ongoing pattern of inattention and or hyperactivity/impulsivity. Have difficulty staying on task, sustaining focus, and staying organized. The child may seem to move about constantly, fidget or talks too much. The child may act without thinking or have difficulty with self-control and the inability to delay gratification. Really!

Put a child in a room with an open box of chocolates and tell them they must not eat any chocolates. YEP, evey child will eat a chocolate! Doesn't every child get excited about everything? Doesn't every child experience life at a faster rate because their hearts are beating twice as fast as adults? Children do not have the attention span of an adult, even adults can only concentrate for 45 minutes before needing a rest, yet adults expect children to sit in class for hours at a time studying with 100% concentration.

ISN'T this normal bevaiour of all children? I was like this as a child and did not have ADHD.

I doubt ADHD is a relevent or even a genuine psychiatric condition or diagnosis.

If children were Psychiatrists they would rename ADHD as "Being a natural born child"

Re: Ask HN: How do ADHD people cope on here?

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Post by reify »

Do you really have ADHD?. Or are the symptoms you exihibit more related to the medication you take?

In the mid 1990's where I lived there were no instances of ADHD. I worked in a local children's psychotherapy service.

As far as I am concerned the prevalence of ADHD has been growing since then, from parents who beleived that all children should; "be seen and not heard", "should not be loud and unruly", "needed a medical reason to claim extra benefits", AND so it grew at the gates of all our local schools. Parents wanted robots and not children.

More and more children were referred to me with so called ADHD but in reality they were all just normal kids who had experienced and were still experiencing "Poor" parenting. How on earth can any reasobale parent allow their children to experience the negative and soul destroying impact of Ritalin and other ADHD drugs. Not to mention big Pharma in the pursuit of profit.

ADHD is marked by an ongoing pattern of inattention and or hyperactivity/impulsivity. Have difficulty staying on task, sustaining focus, and staying organized. The child may seem to move about constantly, fidget or talks too much. The child may act without thinking or have difficulty with self-control and the inability to delay gratification. Really!

Put a child in a room with an open box of chocolates and tell them they must not eat any chocolates. YEP, evey child will eat a chocolate! Doesn't every child get excited about everything? Doesn't every child experience life at a faster rate because their hearts are beating twice as fast as adults? Children do not have the attention span of an adult, even adults can only concentrate for 45 minutes before needing a rest, yet adults expect children to sit in class for hours at a time studying with 100% concentration.

ISN'T this normal bevaiour of all children? I was like this as a child and did not have ADHD.

I doubt ADHD is a relevent or even a genuine psychiatric condition or diagnosis.

If children were Psychiatrists they would rename ADHD as "Being a natural born child"

Re: Ask HN: How do ADHD people cope on here?

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Post by collyw »

duffyjp wrote: post #201
collyw wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't ADHD medication basically amphetamine? I experimented when I was younger and it wasn't nice stuff. Couldn't sleep properly afterwards, and loos of appetite (I am already pretty skinny).

There are I think three classes of meds now. I don't recall the specifics but they try you on the non-stimulant one first which for us didn't do anything. My son takes Concerta which is an extended release drug that basically gives you the minimum viable amount over the course of about 8 hours. By late afternoon it's gone, but it gets him through school just fine. He eats a huge breakfast and dinner so his mostly ign…

It's concerning to me that children are being medicated with drugs that don't offer a cure in this way. Did you ever try getting him to meditate or some other non-pharmaceutical intervention and nutrition? You child though, it's up to you as a parent to do what you think is best.
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