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The Disappearance of the Ashtray

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Key word: almost

It's certainly safe enough that the NHS is using vaping to get people off smoking

It’s safer but not as much as not smoking.

Same way chemo cures some cancer but is pretty damaging overall. But when the alternative is death, anything else is better.

PSA: Don’t start vaping if you don’t smoke, it’s lame. Don’t start smoking either, you’ll regret the health issues, earlier death, and money wasted.

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> I mean, even back in the 60s and 70s, everyone knew smoking would kill you. Sure, the science wasn’t fully in

The "British Doctors Study" [0] reported statistical proof as early as 1956 that smoking was significantly linked with Lung Cancer so by the time the 60s dawned the science was pretty clear cut.

The public health response in any country I know of lagged behind quite a way but by 1966 the US Surgeon General mandated warnings on cigarette packs [1] although unfortunately for the smokers of the USA they now lag behind most other countries in the vividness of the warning with the usual suspects doing their best to keep the poor and uninformed in ignorance of what they're being sold [2]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Doctors_Study

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_packaging_warning_mess...

[2] https://journalnow.com/business/local/cigarette-companies-wi...

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Smoking on planes is absolutely something I can't wrap my head around in any possible way. How the hell someone EVER thought it would be a good idea to let people smoke while packed inside a flying metal cylinder?

Well, in the early days of aviation lung cancer was, erm, pretty far down the list of hazards.

Smoking on US flights was banned in 1988.

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It's tough to portray just how ubiquitous smoking was to a modern audience. You would go to a restaurant and the first thing your hostess would ask is "smoking or non"? I remember standing in a checkout line in the 80s as a child and being fascinated with the billowing clouds of smoke an old lady blew. I remember coming home from bars reeking of smoke, even though I didn't. Even teachers had their own lounges that re…

I went to Vegas a couple months ago, and one thing that absolutely blew me away was the fact that, just within the last ~5 odd years since I last visited even the casinos stopped reeking of tobacco . I figured it was a confluence of factors: people smoke less now, people are far more likely to vape than smoke (which, for its ills, definitely doesn't leave a lingering stench like cigarettes), and there was a lot of ta…

Funny, i was there in Sept and I was surprised at how much the smell was still there. Actually, what really surprised me was the gradation between casinos. I had imagined them as being all much the same, plus/minus minor differences due to age. I could not have been more wrong. The wynn was extremely smoke free and evidently spiffed up to strongly appeal to east asian clients (lots of red lacquer and super high end stores). The mgm was more like a bro night out and reeked of smoke. You could smell it even in the (very expensive) restaurants around the edge of the casino floor. So I suppose they havent quite solved the ventilation issues yet.

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I was just thinking about how family-oriented restaurants, where you'd typically go to take your young kids out to eat, would have smoking and non-smoking sections. No barriers, just one side of the dining room you could smoke and the other you can't. Millions of parents would regularly take their kids to these places. These days, it's often a crime to smoke in the car with kids, and exposure to second-hand smoke is…

Where is it illegal to smoke with a child in the car? Not to get political but we can’t even get people in the US to agree to a bump stock ban.

Here's a list of states and relevant statutes from 2017[1].

[1] https://publichealthlawcenter.org/sites/default/files/resour...

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It's tough to portray just how ubiquitous smoking was to a modern audience. You would go to a restaurant and the first thing your hostess would ask is "smoking or non"? I remember standing in a checkout line in the 80s as a child and being fascinated with the billowing clouds of smoke an old lady blew. I remember coming home from bars reeking of smoke, even though I didn't. Even teachers had their own lounges that re…

People were desperate for a high, an escape, to kill time, to beat the monotony. Today escape is through junk food.

At least it truly is an individual choice now, others can’t get sick from someone else eating junk food.

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I inherited from my dad an ashtray made from the end if a three inch artillery shell. As an ensign in the US Navy in 1960, he had a machinists mate make one for him by cutting the end of the shell down and then welding bent pennies onto it for the cigarette holder portion. My favorite detail was that it was stamped 1944 on the bottom. “But dad, you were in the Navy in the 1960’s?” “They made a LOT of shells in 1944”

On a morbid note, they made so many Purple Hearts for the planned invasion of Japan in 1945 that they haven’t needed to make more since.

Not exactly true, more were made in 1976, in 2000, and in 2008.

What is true is they still have a fair few left over ready to issue from WWII .. they misplaced 125,000 from that time and rediscovered them in that enormous Raiders of the Lost Ark warehouse.

See:

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/176762

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Beyond smoking rates plummeting in recent years, indoor smoking rates were plummeting for years before that, and that's when you normally saw ash trays. I was a smoker for a couple of decades and never once had a dwelling I smoked in, and that was true for many other smokers I knew. That became socially frowned-upon long before smoking lost its momentum. I have noticed that even the dubiously effective large smokeless self-extinguishing public ash trays that were ubiquitous outside of bars/clubs/etc in the 2010s are becoming less common.

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The plummeting rates of smoking in the US is one of the rare areas where this country really shines when it comes to social welfare. Even many European states that have what I'd consider much more progressive social welfare systems have smoking rates that are appalling, often 3x or more the US rates.

> Even many European states that have what I'd consider much more progressive social welfare systems have smoking rates that are appalling, often 3x or more the US rates. Which countries are those? I ask because it would be nice to compare the incidence of the top smoking-related diseases between the countries.

France is a smokers country for instance.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was just thinking about how family-oriented restaurants, where you'd typically go to take your young kids out to eat, would have smoking and non-smoking sections. No barriers, just one side of the dining room you could smoke and the other you can't. Millions of parents would regularly take their kids to these places. These days, it's often a crime to smoke in the car with kids, and exposure to second-hand smoke is…

Where is it illegal to smoke with a child in the car? Not to get political but we can’t even get people in the US to agree to a bump stock ban.

Its been illegal in California since 2008
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