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Post by machiaweliczny »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #184
chabes wrote: post #157

“Learn to code.” That’s what folks were crassly saying to truck drivers, baristas, and cashiers. The writing was/is on the wall: AI is only going to get more powerful and able to be applied to more and more complex tasks. The thought was that “unskilled” labor would be the lowest hanging fruit, that automated AI - with some (but minimal) human oversight - would replace serious chunks of the workforce in various minim…

A lot of very smart people, both within NLP research, and here, are in complete denial about what the proliferation of high quality LLMs means for their jobs and earning potential. The only thing which makes me less sad is that I'm pretty sure Moravecs paradox is actually not all that real, but is more due to the relative lack of engineering interest put on solving continuous control problems. Apparently reinforcemen…

Stop this drama and get a gun :) I give 1-2 years for basic programming, up to 5 for physical labour.

IMO this will have positive consequences if AI doesn’t enslave us.

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Post by collaborative »

chabes wrote: post #157

“Learn to code.” That’s what folks were crassly saying to truck drivers, baristas, and cashiers. The writing was/is on the wall: AI is only going to get more powerful and able to be applied to more and more complex tasks. The thought was that “unskilled” labor would be the lowest hanging fruit, that automated AI - with some (but minimal) human oversight - would replace serious chunks of the workforce in various minim…

As tempting as it may be for "management" to imagine a future where requirement docs get translated into code, the actual reality of the opetation will always require a few humans to oversee it. But I do expect businesses that claim to do exactly that to appear. They will provide very convincing pitches and make fortunes. However, they will still need to retain humans working quietly in the background. I don't expect "management" to ever realise of the added overhead

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Post by freejazz »

ben_w wrote: post #256
freejazz wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wealth doesn't have to be the same thing for everyone for someone to care about. That's evident already because some people care about wealth and others don't. What does the speed difference of transistors have to do with anything? Transistors pale in comparison to the interconnection density of synapses, yet it has nothing to do with wealth either...

Everything you and I consider value is a fixed background from the point of view of a mind whose sole difference from ours is the speedup. I only see them valuing that if they're also extremely neophobic in a way that, for example, would look like a human thinking that "fire" and "talking" are dangerously modern. > Transistors pale in comparison to the interconnection density of synapses Not so. Transistor are also s…

>Everything you and I consider value is a fixed background from the point of view of a mind whose sole difference from ours is the speedup.

This is completely made up and I already pointed that out.

>Not so. Transistor are also smaller than synapses by about the degree to which marathon runners are smaller than hills.

So, brains are connected in 3d, transistors aren't. Transistors don't have interconnection density like brains do. By orders of magnitude greater than what you point out here.

>Even allowing extra space for interconnections and cheating in favour of biology by assuming an M1 chip is a full millimetre thick rather than just however many nanometers it is for the transistors alone, it's still a better volumetric density than us.

Brains have more interconnection density than chips do by orders of magnitude. This is all completely besides the point as it has nothing to do with why people value things and why an AI would or wouldn't.

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Post by berniedurfee »

jiggawatts wrote: post #246
Tempest1981 wrote: post #21

> Azure’s unique architecture design has been crucial in delivering best-in-class performance and scale Is there something unique about Azure, which makes it well suited for AI?

Most of the responses to this are just preconceptions or assumptions. Azure does have unique offerings, such as higher-spec compute nodes than AWS and RDMA-capable “HPC” sizes that can be used to build mini supercomputers. AFAIK, no other public cloud has this type of capability.

Microsoft went into the HPC market aggressively very early as a differentiator to the AWS general computing strategy.

Azure has been focused on HPC much longer and has a head start on AWS. Not sure if they knew it would pay off with AI, but it looks like it’ll work out well for them.

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Post by ilaksh »

lopis wrote: post #5
ffhhj wrote: post #3

They are running at capacity now. Can they scale fast enough?

They are running at capacity for free users. They will be able to afford much higher capacity with MS money, and probably stop providing the service for free soon.

The APIs requests for the text-davinci-003 model released around the same time as ChatGPT also frequently fail with 503 errors.

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Post by roflyear »

CBarkleyU wrote: post #234
roflyear wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can only speak to what I'm familiar with, in my experience this has been the case. In my experience these individuals do donate to charity, but OpenAI is not a charity.

> but OpenAI is not a charity. Something doesnt have to be a charity to be donated money towards. The question was: Why aren't they donating the money? The answer is: Because the want to make money. Just FYI: OpenAI tried going the non-profit route, it didnt work, because suprise, suprise, in the grand scheme of VC things nobody wants to donate 10 billion dollars to anything.

Things are not Boolean, and they should not be. There is a gradient between "believing in the thing" and "purely wanting to make money" and most people fall somewhere in between those.

I have known of plenty of people (myself included) who would not invest in some companies because they think there are moral issues with that company. Same thing.

> Just FYI: OpenAI tried going the non-profit route, it didnt work, because suprise, suprise, in the grand scheme of VC things nobody wants to donate 10 billion dollars to anything.

Exactly, so they went something in-between, but in reality it is very much for-profit.

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Post by napier »

whimsicalism wrote: post #170
napier wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More likely they bork a large chunk of Google's ad revenue by making information search and retrieval usable again under a UBI rationing to fast but not cheap tiered freemium model. That's before you consider information generation, process management greasing and problem solving potential use cases.

They have no moat and people don't like to wait for results. People like ad subsidized things, that is why they have ads rather than people paying for things.

When I google and every time I google on basic search I instantly get several pages of adspam, blogspam and phishingspam and rarely anything high quality or relevant to my search string. Unless append something like "reddit" to my query and then mine the reddit post useful info and links. Even google scholar, which used to be brilliant, has recently switched to an vector search embeddings approach more similar to base search. Happy to wait a few seconds for an LLM based google killer to generate ideally accurately cited relevant information.

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Post by bothandeach »

londons_explore wrote: post #140

Let me translate this blog post out of corpspeak...: OpenAI has agreed to use Azure exclusively and for free, in return for Azure massively scaling up it's GPU capacity (which OpenAI was hitting before, hence threatening to move). In return, OpenAI gives an extensive license to Microsoft to use ChatGPT in Bing (and other products). Now why couldn't the blog post have just said that rather than hiding all the details?

Hiding the details because in plain talk we see the Microsoft getting the tools to monster up on us.

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Post by [deleted] »

londons_explore wrote: post #140

Let me translate this blog post out of corpspeak...: OpenAI has agreed to use Azure exclusively and for free, in return for Azure massively scaling up it's GPU capacity (which OpenAI was hitting before, hence threatening to move). In return, OpenAI gives an extensive license to Microsoft to use ChatGPT in Bing (and other products). Now why couldn't the blog post have just said that rather than hiding all the details?

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Post by robotresearcher »

lostmsu wrote: post #247
robotresearcher wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This tech is capital-intensive even when you know how to do it.

I heard estimates in tens of $M. That's rather available.

Isn't that quite a lot of other-than-personnel cost for a software startup? And how many iterations do you throw away before you get one that generates income?
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