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Post by spoils19 »

slowmovintarget wrote: post #413
alasdair_ wrote: post #339

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Older people vote Republican. Older people tend to have accumulated more wealth than those just starting out.

> Older people tend to have accumulated more wealth than those just starting out. Which has been true since the dawn of value exchange. That's part of why the outcry against "inequality" citing differences in income between a 20-year veteran of some career versus a new entrant in the market are so tough to swallow. Wait twenty years... they'll be the same... Unless we change the rules to take it all away from everyon…

Agreed completely. Many younger folk point me to graphs that show the value of the dollar and how it's vastly different compared to decades ago, but I simply say that's Democrat propaganda and they realize their mistake!

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by spoils19 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #368
kjghkjghkjgh wrote: post #313

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Umm, there's a teacher shortage because everyone's moving to Florida. They had the largest population growth in 2022.

> Gov. Ron DeSantis pushed lawmakers to boost starting teacher salaries to $47,500, which ranks 16th in the country. Overall though, Florida’s average teacher pay is ranked 49th.

This is from a source where higher = better, I assume? Otherwise it makes no sense.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by maxerickson »

quantified wrote: post #288
yesdocs wrote: post #211

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Has no one read Fahrenheit 411? Jeez

Do you mean Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury?

Fahrenheit 411 is about how tradition is important to freedom and explains the evils of Celsius.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by maxerickson »

mikrotikker wrote: post #420
jterrys wrote: post #104

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I 100% guarantee you that this has nothing to do with smart kids like you being unable to read big brain books but rather intentionally vague and loose language being used to curtail what the school administration and parents consider morally objectionable material.

I consider the "Gender Queer" book morally objectionable for children. Go read it and tell me you don't either.

You are begging the question though. Is there really a problem where masses of Florida teachers are sneaking inappropriate books to young children? Are there dozens of them that won't discuss appropriate reading materials with the parents of their students or their administrators?

Of course there aren't, it's a dumb political stunt chasing a moral panic.

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Post by Maursault »

mikrotikker wrote: post #454
Maursault wrote: post #445

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FYI, your assertion is long known to be racist trope. First of all, no one, anywhere, ever, can "live" on welfare alone. It's just not possible. To live on welfare requires a job with some income. Further, if you earn less than $300K/yr, and you vote Republican, then you are voting adversely to your own economic interests and working against your own economic advancement. But if you make $300K/yr or more, then by all…

A racist trope? What an absurd statement. Are you saying only 1 race uses welfare? That sounds kinda racist, but moreover it sounds like you're just trying to discourage discussion by throwing the R word around. Of course you can live on welfare alone. Many do, and in fact it can become a full time job just to stay on welfare, especially when it becomes multi-generational. Source: a partner who worked in the welfare…

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Post by spoils19 »

feoren wrote: post #380
schulboy wrote: post #161

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“Back in my day…” there was a crusade against Christian prayer and what not. Keep things neutral - to the point that teachers who were otherwise obviously religious would completely dodge the topic when my intellectually curious atheist self asked on topics. Now we’re back at teachers here-and-they’re wanting to assert their belief system in the classroom and activist parents seeking to eliminate this issue… only the…

> there was a crusade against Christian prayer Bullshit. There was a backlash against forced Christian prayer, as there should be. > teachers here-and-they’re wanting to assert their belief system in the classroom Bullshit. Making a wide variety of books available to interested students is literally the opposite of asserting a specific belief system. > activist parents Bullshit. This is very clearly neo-fascist alt-r…

> Bullshit. There was a backlash against forced Christian prayer, as there should be.

Need I remind you that the US is one nation _under God_?

> Bullshit. Making a wide variety of books available to interested students is literally the opposite of asserting a specific belief system.

It'll be quite "convenient" if certain books had more space on the shelves than others.

> Green username, bad-faith argument filled with bullshit. Why do I get this feeling this statement is similar to "as a gay black man ..."

Please make sure you're following the HackerNews commenting guidelines. :>

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by slowmovintarget »

mcv wrote: post #421
slowmovintarget wrote: post #410

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Encouraging children to read is not covered by the law. You read the article. Having a library of books is an easy way to encourage literacy, probably even the best way. It is not the only way. Far more important to the development of literacy in children is the presence of books in the home. There are decades of statistics on the impact of just having a stack of books in the same home as the child. All of this is al…

> Far more important to the development of literacy in children is the presence of books in the home. Of course, but that's not something schools have control over. Unless they can give a child a book on loan to take home. And that requires books in the school. And because different children have different interests and different reading issues, a wide selection of books is better than a narrow one. > That never had…

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Post by dragonwriter »

schulboy wrote: post #161
mfer wrote: post #115

Context as to what's happening in US schools... This highlights part of the growing movement and disagreement around culture shaping through kids. To highlight this, if you take a look at school of educations mission statement[1] > Through commitment to innovation, social justice, excellence in teaching and research, and partnerships, the School of Teacher Education will position itself as a national leader in shapin…

“Back in my day…” there was a crusade against Christian prayer and what not. Keep things neutral - to the point that teachers who were otherwise obviously religious would completely dodge the topic when my intellectually curious atheist self asked on topics. Now we’re back at teachers here-and-they’re wanting to assert their belief system in the classroom and activist parents seeking to eliminate this issue… only the…

> “Back in my day…” there was a crusade against Christian prayer and what not.

No, there wasn't.

There has historically been litigation against forced or state-agent-led prayer, and that litigation was often by Christian (or Christian-adjacent; boundaries are disputed) groups.

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Post by SauciestGNU »

slowmovintarget wrote: post #467
mcv wrote: post #421

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> Far more important to the development of literacy in children is the presence of books in the home. Of course, but that's not something schools have control over. Unless they can give a child a book on loan to take home. And that requires books in the school. And because different children have different interests and different reading issues, a wide selection of books is better than a narrow one. > That never had…

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I think the disconnect is that some parents see children as property to be managed and controlled, and many other adults see children as individuals with agency and autonomy (to the extent that is developmentally appropriate).

I also believe that most of this backlash is about children being able to freely access information that contradicts their parents' worldview. I have also seen strict parents punish their children for expressing differing beliefs and values. Queer kids get physically abused by their religious parents. I absolutely believe schools should be a safe place for students to learn and experiment with ideas and values.

Not to mention, strict informational control has long been a mechanism for abuse. I think there's probably a nexus between parents who object to their kids reading what they want and parents who utilize various physical and psychological abuses as "discipline".

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Post by mikrotikker »

spoils19 wrote: post #460
mikrotikker wrote: post #454

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A racist trope? What an absurd statement. Are you saying only 1 race uses welfare? That sounds kinda racist, but moreover it sounds like you're just trying to discourage discussion by throwing the R word around. Of course you can live on welfare alone. Many do, and in fact it can become a full time job just to stay on welfare, especially when it becomes multi-generational. Source: a partner who worked in the welfare…

> Of course you can live on welfare alone. This isn't my experience. Many who came into asking were even on minimum-wage jobs, just trying to survive. Source: I worked in welfare offices and dealt with many people.

Yea I've been on welfare myself and it wasn't enough but I wasn't trying to make a job out of it and applying for all the different extra plans and what not, I was just trying to find a new job.
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