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Post by cat_plus_plus »

kadoban wrote: post #329
cat_plus_plus wrote: post #301

The law only applies to visual or graphic sexual content. I would hope everyone agrees that providing certain sexual materials to kids of certain age should be a felony. I hope everyone also agrees that sometime before puberty one should get appropriate sex education with approval of parents or guardians or say a judge if parents are proven to be completely unreasonable. I see the problem of Florida law being too vag…

> (b) Any book, pamphlet, magazine, printed matter however reproduced, or sound recording that contains any matter defined in s. 847.001, explicit and detailed verbal descriptions or narrative accounts of sexual excitement, or sexual conduct and that is harmful to minors. That's ambiguous as hell. Give that it's Florida, I'd expect them to have a biased view of what's "harmful" as well. That also rules out several of…

Sure, and as I said ambiguity is a problem. However, 50 shades of gray for elementary schoolers is ALSO a problem.

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Post by ch4s3 »

afavour wrote: post #149
ch4s3 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks like Florida public school enrollment is increasing[1] by quite a lot. It's up to 3,032,800 for Fall 2023 from 2,903,500 in 2020[2], only beat by Arizona, Alaska, and Utah. [1] https://www.fldoe.org/finance/fl-edu-finance-program-fefp/ft... [2] https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d13/tables/dt13_203.20.a...

OP mentioned a teacher shortage, not a student shortage.

Haha, I totally misread the OP's comment.

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Post by cratermoon »

brightball wrote: post #255
cratermoon wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing called "CRT" being taught to grade school kids. Teaching math using statistical examples from the Implicit Association Test is problematic how?

How is it beneficial when any other graph could be used to teach the math?

If any graph can be used, then it doesn't matter, and there's no harm, so why complain?

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Post by mikrotikker »

Maursault wrote: post #445
mikrotikker wrote: post #440

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That data does not dispute the claim.

FYI, your assertion is long known to be racist trope. First of all, no one, anywhere, ever, can "live" on welfare alone. It's just not possible. To live on welfare requires a job with some income. Further, if you earn less than $300K/yr, and you vote Republican, then you are voting adversely to your own economic interests and working against your own economic advancement. But if you make $300K/yr or more, then by all…

A racist trope? What an absurd statement. Are you saying only 1 race uses welfare? That sounds kinda racist, but moreover it sounds like you're just trying to discourage discussion by throwing the R word around.

Of course you can live on welfare alone. Many do, and in fact it can become a full time job just to stay on welfare, especially when it becomes multi-generational.

Source: a partner who worked in the welfare offices and dealt with such people (of all races).

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Post by mikrotikker »

PuppyTailWags wrote: post #441
mikrotikker wrote: post #439

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Teenagers, yep, remove the porn and its fine for teenagers. A cautionary tale for them that might help them realize people pushing the gender ideology are usually fucked up child abuse survivors who need therapy for the abhorrent crimes that were done to them.

I don't think you've read Go Ask Alice, because your post seems to imply you think Go Ask Alice can serve as a warning about gender. Go Ask Alice is actually an anti-drug book and doesn't really talk about gender at all. They're two very different books and I am only using Go Ask Alice as a comparably sexually graphic book that is in the same intended age range.

I have not read Go Ask Alice, no. I'm referring to "Gender Queer". Sexually graphic content should be R18 like porno mags.

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Post by crooked-v »

motohagiography wrote: post #403
crooked-v wrote: post #346

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> some activists are using pornography as a vehicle to inject this critical narrative into the sexual developent of school children Which activists would those be, and what pornography?

There isn't a bland news source that covers the stories of parents reading the explicit content out loud from books at their kids' schools at school board meetings, but it is common enough that Florida responded to it with legislation. If you would like to track down the stories that made the legislation viable, those instances are where I would recommend starting. The most recent example in the news was from a contr…

Or, to put it in other words, all you can offer is more rumormongering and fearmongering bullshit that isn't even correct about what actually happened: a single teacher once accidentally showed the wrong version of the educational film The Mask You Live In [1] to 12-year-olds in 2019, which accidentally exposed to them to a few more minutes of knowing that blurred-out pornography exists, and a single parent complained, and then nobody else but the right wing hate-o-sphere ever cared again.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mask_You_Live_In

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Post by yamtaddle »

slowmovintarget wrote: post #413
alasdair_ wrote: post #339

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Older people vote Republican. Older people tend to have accumulated more wealth than those just starting out.

> Older people tend to have accumulated more wealth than those just starting out. Which has been true since the dawn of value exchange. That's part of why the outcry against "inequality" citing differences in income between a 20-year veteran of some career versus a new entrant in the market are so tough to swallow. Wait twenty years... they'll be the same... Unless we change the rules to take it all away from everyon…

There's some truth to this, but nb. that "net worth at same age" stats for various generations in the US are bleak. Each generation since the Boomers has done worse than the one before at the same age, and the Boomer/X divide is already large.

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Post by crooked-v »

brightball wrote: post #17
deugtniet wrote: post #4

If anybody thinks this is a good idea, I'm looking forward to reading your opinions.

I’m not going to suggest it’s a good idea, but I know when math books became a topic it was supposedly because some type of political stuff was being included in the problems. Haven’t followed it closely but I do remember hearing that. I’ll see if I can find a link. EDIT: Found one. https://nypost.com/2022/04/22/floridas-banned-math-textbooks...

If very limited references to the fact that racism even exists are "political", then you're getting pretty close to that joke: "What sexual orientation are you, straight, or political?"

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Post by PuppyTailWags »

mikrotikker wrote: post #455
PuppyTailWags wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you've read Go Ask Alice, because your post seems to imply you think Go Ask Alice can serve as a warning about gender. Go Ask Alice is actually an anti-drug book and doesn't really talk about gender at all. They're two very different books and I am only using Go Ask Alice as a comparably sexually graphic book that is in the same intended age range.

I have not read Go Ask Alice, no. I'm referring to "Gender Queer". Sexually graphic content should be R18 like porno mags.

Okay, please believe me when I say Go Ask Alice has nothing to do with Gender Queer except they have very similar sexual content and are targeted to similar age ranges. Go Ask Alice has been considered historically appropriate for teenagers for over a generation at this point, and therefore I don't really view Gender Queer's sexual content to be inappropriate for teenagers. If we're giving teenagers books where 15 year olds prostitute themselves for drugs, teenagers can also read books where people have consensual sex.

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Post by spoils19 »

mikrotikker wrote: post #454
Maursault wrote: post #445

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FYI, your assertion is long known to be racist trope. First of all, no one, anywhere, ever, can "live" on welfare alone. It's just not possible. To live on welfare requires a job with some income. Further, if you earn less than $300K/yr, and you vote Republican, then you are voting adversely to your own economic interests and working against your own economic advancement. But if you make $300K/yr or more, then by all…

A racist trope? What an absurd statement. Are you saying only 1 race uses welfare? That sounds kinda racist, but moreover it sounds like you're just trying to discourage discussion by throwing the R word around. Of course you can live on welfare alone. Many do, and in fact it can become a full time job just to stay on welfare, especially when it becomes multi-generational. Source: a partner who worked in the welfare…

> Of course you can live on welfare alone.

This isn't my experience. Many who came into asking were even on minimum-wage jobs, just trying to survive.

Source: I worked in welfare offices and dealt with many people.

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