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Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by lostmsu »

Firmwarrior wrote: post #176
Keyframe wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You _do_ understand everything we've seen from OpenAI Google already showed us they have? Not to mention OG research and being the primary r&d force behind vast majority of AI you're seeing. They haven't put it in hands of users as directly yet though, reasons to be speculated upon.

Sounds a lot like Xerox and GUIs, Microsoft and Web 2.0, Microsoft and smartphones, etc

I must say that both of your and parent's points are very enlightening.

Yours in that from it follows, that there's still quite a bit of room to get ahead of OpenAI for smaller players.

Parent's in that in order to achieve above one can just leverage the public papers produced by bigger research labs.

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by ilaksh »

jacooper wrote: post #220
ilaksh wrote: post #214

If I'm understanding this, the Codex model like code-davinci-002 and limited to 10-20 requests per minute on OpenAI, is now "generally" available through "Azure OpenAI Service" BUT - you still have to apply to https://customervoice.microsoft.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?... - you will be rejected if you use a personal email address - you will be rejected if you are not a "managed customer" - you will be rejected if..…

> I mean, this is really the opposite of Open. Cocks gun, Always has been https://en.meming.world/wiki/Always_has_been OpenAI was never really open in the first place.

Right.. I know.. have been telling people that.. there just doesn't seem to be anything equivalent as an alternative. code-davinci-002 is amazing. Way better than Tabnine for example (in my limited testing) and also much better that text-davinci-003. for code. The open source programming LLMs I saw were kind of a joke compared to OpenAI's models.

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by make3 »

OnlineGladiator wrote: post #207
achow wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sam Altman addresses that when he was asked that question in 'How I Built This' Podcast. Essentially: OpenAI did not realize the massive scale they needed for them to be successful. When they realized this, they could not raise any funding as 'non-profit'. They asked govt, who did not want to fund it, and other sources, at the end they did not have any other recourse. Sam Altaman says: 90% of funding was needed for c…

It sounds like you agree with me that OpenAI is poorly named. "We wanted to be open, but we couldn't - we kept the name anyway."

as much shit as we can give them for something as trivial as their name, their contributions to AI with GPT-1 (which beat all benchmarks & which led to BERT & was basically the "real" BERT itself), GPT-2, which was really impressive back then, GPT-3 which was an incredibly improvement that people had not see coming, PPO in reinforcement learning, reinforcement learning from human feedback in NLP, Instruct GPT (the real ChatGPT before ChatGPT), and now chatGPT

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by ilaksh »

ilaksh wrote: post #214

If I'm understanding this, the Codex model like code-davinci-002 and limited to 10-20 requests per minute on OpenAI, is now "generally" available through "Azure OpenAI Service" BUT - you still have to apply to https://customervoice.microsoft.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?... - you will be rejected if you use a personal email address - you will be rejected if you are not a "managed customer" - you will be rejected if..…

FYI I asked their sales chat what is a "managed customer".. I am not sure if it was really a person or not. Possibly a bot. But they never really defined it, but took down my info and said a "relevant partner would contact me ASAP".

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by bogomipz »

The post states:

>"Azure’s unique architecture design has been crucial in delivering best-in-class performance and scale for our AI training and inference workloads."

Can someone say what is unique about the Azure cloud architecture here vs other cloud vendors?

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by ben_w »

EGreg wrote: post #213
OnlineGladiator wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> OpenAI wants to be perceived as an open, academic, capped-profit for a noble reason collective. Does anybody actually believe this? Their name has been a running joke for years already.

To be fair, if they open sourced ChatGPT, they’d accelerate the utter demise of all internet forums and articles by a couple years. As it is we must wait for the likes of StabilityAI / LAION to copy them before ushering in the dystopian future! Update: OK maybe Chinese AI companies will do it, they don’t seem to cooperate with any nonproliferation agreements either

If GPT family translations are similar quality to a Google Translate round trip from English to Chinese and back, I don't think it's going to make a massive difference to forum quality.

(I'd try it now, but servers are at capacity for me).

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by MerManMaid »

davidy123 wrote: post #90
ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #24

2023 is the year of Bing, calling it now.

That really depends on how much the public accepts results without sources, aka no credit, aka rampant breaking of social norms and copyright, as well as destroying the easy ability to verify something. In many ways, OpenAI and anyone who supports it are trying to pull an Uber here, but shift the Overton on something indescribably larger than transportation licenses. They want to Borg global intelligence (though, of…

>In many ways, OpenAI and anyone who supports it are trying to pull an Uber

Can you elaborate here? (Honestly asking since I'm not seeing the similarity)

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by ben_w »

atmosx wrote: post #187
OnlineGladiator wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> OpenAI wants to be perceived as an open, academic, capped-profit for a noble reason collective. Does anybody actually believe this? Their name has been a running joke for years already.

Absolutely. I heard from 6 different ppl in a week, some technical others not so much say that openAI is producing OS software for free. The use of the word “open” fooled lots and lots of ppl who believe their software is open source and free.

I guess this is going to be Java/JavaScript confusion all over again.

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by bogomipz »

The WSJ article on this announcement states:

>"OpenAI was in talks this month to sell existing shares in a tender offer that would value the company at around $29 billion, The Wall Street Journal reported, making it one of the most valuable U.S. startups on paper despite generating little revenue."

Can anyone say why they wouldn't have gone that route? Is that valuation possibly based on market condition from a year ago?

[1] https://archive.is/slxcE

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by labrador »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #26
rvz wrote: post #20

'Extend' Even capitalized and straight from the horses mouth, but as unsurprisingly predicted in: [0] > * OpenAI will gain further investment... We already know about ChatGPT Pro since that is a paid version of ChatGPT coming soon, meaning that the second prediction in [0] as also turned out to be true: > ...ChatGPT by then will become a paid service Now we wait until the startups depending on the service start to ra…

It's been over 25 years. It's really time to let this one go.

Nah, tribalism and talking smack about the other tribe is part of human nature
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