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Re: Netflix's New Chapter

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I'm gonna attempt to break this down: - Netflix has 5-6 Billion USD free cash flow, and because they got what debt they do have under favorable terms, they are positioned to retain most of that free cash flow - Disney, Comcast (Peacock), CBS/Viacom and other media corporations are saddled with debt, and are all losing money on their own independent streaming businesses. Likely untenable in their shareholder model - T…

Unlike netflix, Disney+ has a good incentive to never become profitable. It pays enormous licensing fees to its parent company. This means the profits flows to there, and they don't pay a cent of taxes.

Now you are going to say, but doesn't "The Walt Disney Company", the parent of Disney+, then pay all the taxes?

No, because this company is located in Delaware, which means it's virtually exempt of taxes as long as it makes only money from activities outside of Delaware. Which is does, since it's only selling IP to other companies, like the entity managing Disney+ which has it's headquarters in California.

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That makes an assumption. - That Netflix has a infrastructure competitive advantage. That probably used to be true with microservices, chaos monkey, and all that. But while a big streaming platform isn't something a couple engineers throw together in a weekend, it's a pretty well understood problem. It's content that attracts subscribers. And that content doesn't really have economies of scale. Having twice as much g…

In regards to content scaling, that seems right on the face of it. But, Netflix had been pushing the idea of "Amortization of Content" in that content once created has an extremely long lifecycle, and essentially a long tail. As people will always watch older content. And a lot of times people would miss it, and things start trending later on. However, quality of content matters. If you're spending money on poor qual…

People do watch at least certain types of older content. They watch movies from the earlier part of last century.

But I'm not sure how much money is in there, especially for a subscriber service--which mostly justifies licensing costs by retaining or gaining subscribers.

I'd also observe that Netflix has allowed their back disc catalog to deteriorate. Which suggests a fairly comprehensive back catalog doesn't necessarily pay the bills.

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I'm gonna attempt to break this down: - Netflix has 5-6 Billion USD free cash flow, and because they got what debt they do have under favorable terms, they are positioned to retain most of that free cash flow - Disney, Comcast (Peacock), CBS/Viacom and other media corporations are saddled with debt, and are all losing money on their own independent streaming businesses. Likely untenable in their shareholder model - T…

Good summary. Couple notes/IMOs... HBO Max is great, but it's tied to a terrible management/company anchor. Rumor is now they are going to drop the trusted HBO brand smh. Netflix is well positioned, but a player like Disney is also setup to acquire other streamers as they fall over from cost structure issues. I think we're about to see mass consolidation. Finally, I'm kind of sad that I think the content 'golden era'…

I switched from Netflix to Prime a year or so ago, and a few months ago to HBO Max, and they're all basically the same: a handful of good movies and series I haven't seen, some more mediocre but watchable stuff, and a lot that doesn't interest me or is just awful. I get that they want to serve as large an audience as they can get, but it doesn't keep me on their platform. The only plus of HBO Max is their low price for a 1 year multi-screen subscription.

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Something I don't understand is why Disney and others need to have their own streaming service. Why Netflix can't sit down with Disney and merge the two streaming services. Disney is amazing at making content, so is Netflix at the moment. They could take a look at the present, their market cap, debt and so on and structure a solution that would: 1. Make Netflix the best streaming service with the best content, also b…

I think what you're describing could be a white-label Netflix. Essentially a different UI skin, branding and content library but served by Netflix's tech stack, etc. Its probably more likely any consolidation would happen with the smaller players (NBC, CBS) doing this with Netflix rather than Disney.

I've wondered how it would work if Netflix implemented something like Amazon Prime Video Channels and let distributors offer content as additional/separate subscriptions in the Netflix UI.

Like, Netflix's UI has some annoyances, but it would be so much better if I could access all my streaming content in one central place instead of having to manage a dozen different shitty services, all with their own separate accounts, apps, watch lists, etc. and their own idiosyncratic quirks and buggy (or outright missing) features.

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Disney is currently suffering under a load of debt from their Fox acquisition. I'm not sure going on a spending spree is in their favor. With Netflix's low debt load and free cash flow, they should actually be in a better position for buying up competitors.

Disney also will probably make more money on its four biggest movie releases this year than Netflix makes in all. Avatar 2- a movie that came from its Fox acquisition has already made over $2 Billion

Tbf avatar 2 was also extremely expensive, its breakeven point was reported to be in the 2 billion ball park (https://time.com/6241639/avatar-2-costs-box-office/)

Re: Netflix's New Chapter

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A few thoughts:

1) On the talk of saturation Netflix had somewhere around 230 mil subscribers last year. In theory the addressable market should be adults ~20 and up so somewhere around 5 bil. So not even close to saturation. Discounting say half of that imagine how much better the service could be with 10x the current subscriber base. They talk about increasing subscription price... At 10x you could half the subscription price and still increase content spending 5x which would be pretty incredible.

2) The article talks about old content not holding value as expected. I think a lot of this has to do with the near complete failure to invest in rewatchable content. They were clearly aware the value of shows like The Office and Friends in terms of rewatchability. Off the top of my head I can't even think of an attempt at original content in that lane from Netflix (Licensing and extra seasons of Arrested Development is the only thing that comes to mind). To be fair though utterly bizarrely nearly every service has failed at this kind of content for the past 5 years or so.

3) The lack of global hits is very strange. I was trying to lookup high budget tv productions in foreign countries and not sure if it is just a lack of data or they don't exist. I would think even if there is a cultural bias around kinds of shows people watch just in terms of production quality western shows would still be globally dominant. Are there any examples of international shows with 20 mil per episode budgets?

This one is definitely strange to me looking back on what I would have estimated for the world of streaming a decade ago. I would have expected a much more expected shared culture in terms of what is watched worldwide. Instead it seems if anything we have become increasingly isolated. It's crazy to think Netflix isn't even active in a country the size of China for example. I would have thought by now technology would lead to shows with viewerships counted in the billions not millions. Squid Game is apparently Netflix's most popular show ever but even that from brief research has under 200 mil views which in the context of total population still makes it incredibly unpopular. I.e. if you take 100 random humans and put them in a room almost none of them have seen it. I wonder if we will ever reach a point where anything is actually globally popular.

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Disney also will probably make more money on its four biggest movie releases this year than Netflix makes in all. Avatar 2- a movie that came from its Fox acquisition has already made over $2 Billion

Tbf avatar 2 was also extremely expensive, its breakeven point was reported to be in the 2 billion ball park ( https://time.com/6241639/avatar-2-costs-box-office/ )

Even so, it’s going to break even and make a slight profit before it ever hits streaming.

You can’t say the same about Netflix. Netflix is completely dependent on streaming revenue.

Re: Netflix's New Chapter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disney is currently suffering under a load of debt from their Fox acquisition. I'm not sure going on a spending spree is in their favor. With Netflix's low debt load and free cash flow, they should actually be in a better position for buying up competitors.

Disney also will probably make more money on its four biggest movie releases this year than Netflix makes in all. Avatar 2- a movie that came from its Fox acquisition has already made over $2 Billion

Part of that cash flow doesn't go to Disney at all, it stays with the theaters.

I'm curious whether that total box office number includes taxes on the tickets as well.

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Curious now - what percentage of global content is netflix seeing in Japan or Mexico, vs local content?

I think that would be an interesting metric for all sorts of other influences, political, social etc. Essentially defining the landscape of balkanisation of the internet ...

Re: Netflix's New Chapter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tbf avatar 2 was also extremely expensive, its breakeven point was reported to be in the 2 billion ball park ( https://time.com/6241639/avatar-2-costs-box-office/ )

Even so, it’s going to break even and make a slight profit before it ever hits streaming. You can’t say the same about Netflix. Netflix is completely dependent on streaming revenue.

Netflix doesn't get anywhere near the theatrical release of Disney movies, but it does get some: https://www.whats-on-netflix.com/coming-soon/netflix-movies-...
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