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Post by anon291 »

lcuff wrote: post #69
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a bit harsh but I mean, all it boils down to is: Teachers shall teach the curriculum.

Which for some, (like me), is ludicrous. My own take is that children learn best (or for some, learn at all) when their interest in something is piqued or they are inspired by a teacher. (I only did homework for teachers I liked throughout my time in elementary and high school.) I claim most of what we learn in school is completely irrelevant to our lives anyway (with a clear exception of learning to read at all). My…

> My wife rose to an executive position in a big company without knowing her 'times tables'.

Well that alone explains a lot of the problems this country is in, and is not the stunning argument for your side you may believe it to be.

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Post by netsharc »

hezag wrote: post #50

> If the book is available in the district libraries, that means it was approved by a media specialist and can be made available to students again. But any book not currently held in the district libraries must be individually evaluated and approved by a librarian. So... It's an allowlist and not a denylist. Even worse.

I remember reading a description of denylists (everything is allowed except for...) as "American style" and allowlists (only these things are allowed) as "Soviet style".

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Post by kwhitefoot »

thewellis2 wrote: post #277
kwhitefoot wrote: post #213

This would have caused an uproar when I was at school. We organized student strikes for less in junior high school (southern England 1960s).

Well, Section 28 happened here in the UK in the 80's, and that was targetting teachers (and local councils) that didn't toe the central government's homophobic agenda.

Yes, I know. That was abhorrent too.

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Post by anotherman554 »

notch656c wrote: post #264
anotherman554 wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If a law is passed the presumption under democracy is it has the assent of the majority. " Why would that be the presumption instead of, you know, looking at polls?

Because then you would realize the whole charade about the social contract and consent to be governed under the law all falls apart and there is nothing left but whether you decide to defend against the violence of enforcement.

You do you, but I'd think most people can look at poll data without the accompanying feeling of existential dread.

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Post by jeffbee »

Dig1t wrote: post #240

This is a backlash to these kind of books: https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1615866743444078593 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1613623613156098049 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1612817285676244997 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1609719090456793089/... Please don't attack me for posting something from this Twitter account, I don't endorse them, I'm just providing an example of what t…

Oh no, teens might see a cartoon dick! Alert the police!

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Post by panzagl »

yesdocs wrote: post #211
Pulcinella wrote: post #10

In Florida, school librarians are called "media specialists" and hold media specialist certificates. A rule passed by the Florida Department of Education last week states that a "library media center" includes any books made available to students, including in classrooms. This means that classroom libraries that are curated by teachers, not librarians, are now illegal. Prepare for “route around the damage” moment whe…

Has no one read Fahrenheit 411? Jeez

They read it, it just sounds like a good idea to some...

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Post by quantified »

yesdocs wrote: post #211
Pulcinella wrote: post #10

In Florida, school librarians are called "media specialists" and hold media specialist certificates. A rule passed by the Florida Department of Education last week states that a "library media center" includes any books made available to students, including in classrooms. This means that classroom libraries that are curated by teachers, not librarians, are now illegal. Prepare for “route around the damage” moment whe…

Has no one read Fahrenheit 411? Jeez

Do you mean Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury?

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Post by mindslight »

UnpossibleJim wrote: post #62
unshavedyak wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> drives good teachers out of the profession. Working as designed. They cannot possibly be so ignorant as to claim good intentions.

Never underestimate the ignorance of the mob.

The mob is ignorant, yes. But it's also the leaders who play to and encourage that ignorance, rather than telling the harder truths.

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Post by joshmn »

Maursault wrote: post #272
toomuchtodo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also drives families with kids out of Florida to more sane educational operating environments. Florida already has the worst teacher shortage in the nation: https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/01/22/our-child...

> Florida already has the worst teacher shortage in the nation This isn't new. Florida teacher shortage has existed for a long time. It's because Florida doesn't pay their teachers. This isn't likely to change anytime soon because Republicans have had a stranglehold on Florida since 1999, and they are notoriously anti-education.

> they are notoriously anti-education

Is it anti-education, pro-poverty, or both?

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