Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

popular.info

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

161–170 of 500 posts

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

#161

Post by schulboy »

mfer wrote: post #115

Context as to what's happening in US schools... This highlights part of the growing movement and disagreement around culture shaping through kids. To highlight this, if you take a look at school of educations mission statement[1] > Through commitment to innovation, social justice, excellence in teaching and research, and partnerships, the School of Teacher Education will position itself as a national leader in shapin…

“Back in my day…” there was a crusade against Christian prayer and what not. Keep things neutral - to the point that teachers who were otherwise obviously religious would completely dodge the topic when my intellectually curious atheist self asked on topics.

Now we’re back at teachers here-and-they’re wanting to assert their belief system in the classroom and activist parents seeking to eliminate this issue… only the script is a bit flipped.

So, the question becomes should we keep schools neutral or not?

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

#162

Post by crooked-v »

efitz wrote: post #155
crooked-v wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The kinds of "using public sentiment" that actually get things often done tend to involve willfully and intentionally breaking the law, as wildcat strikers, civil rights marchers, and sit-in protestors can attest.

And that still works. But in recent times it’s very overused.

Overused? Not at all. If anything we've got a critical shortage of real public action over real issues.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

#163

Post by notch656c »

CydeWeys wrote: post #143
notch656c wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a law is passed the presumption under democracy is it has the assent of the majority. Personally I'm not a huge fan of democracy, but you're looking at it.

To be clear, this isn't democracy, it's republicanism. Laws get passed in republicanism all the time that the majority of the people don't agree with, because their representatives aren't actually representing their interests.

If the government doesn't have the assent of the people is it not illegitimate? I thought the whole presumption under our system was the representatives have the assent of the majority.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

#164

Post by [deleted] »

CydeWeys wrote: post #143
notch656c wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a law is passed the presumption under democracy is it has the assent of the majority. Personally I'm not a huge fan of democracy, but you're looking at it.

To be clear, this isn't democracy, it's republicanism. Laws get passed in republicanism all the time that the majority of the people don't agree with, because their representatives aren't actually representing their interests.

[deleted]

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

#165

Post by danaris »

Pulcinella wrote: post #10

In Florida, school librarians are called "media specialists" and hold media specialist certificates. A rule passed by the Florida Department of Education last week states that a "library media center" includes any books made available to students, including in classrooms. This means that classroom libraries that are curated by teachers, not librarians, are now illegal. Prepare for “route around the damage” moment whe…

[flagged]

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

#166

Post by crooked-v »

epicureanideal wrote: post #30
jasonlotito wrote: post #6

> must be selected by a school district employee who holds a valid educational media specialist certificate, The same people who oppose freedom of speech are over here supporting DeSantis and his crusade against education and his push for bigger government.

Free speech is not the same as being able to tell other people’s kids anything you want while they’re attending a mandatory educational institution run in the name of the public. This law seems like an extreme reaction, but to what many people believe is already an extreme situation. See also: https://youtu.be/TwucVRj_mdc

Cool, but do you have any sources that haven't been produced by an organization well-known for repeated lies and fraud?

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

#167

Post by linuxftw »

loudmax wrote: post #131
linuxftw wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> interest in something is piqued or they are inspired by a teacher Don't you see how this is a direct example of teachers having outsized influence on students, and how they shouldn't be allowed to 'teach' them whatever the please? People put education on some kind of pedestal. Like it's a magical place of discovery. No, it's to provide basic literacy and math skills to the poor so they can function in society.

I can't tell whether you're making that argument in earnest, or you left out the /s sarcasm tag.

Completely in earnest.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

#170

Post by agloeregrets »

crooked-v wrote: post #148
whywhywhydude wrote: post #114

What’s going on with the politicians in Southern states? Why are they spending time making these pointless laws that often infringe on the rights of their constituents? How are people okay with being dictated what books their children can read?

Hate politics need an underclass to target and oppress. In the US that used to be Black people, but then Black people became too popular and too well supported; and then for a while it was gay people, but then then gay people became too popular and too well supported; and now the target is transgender people and gender nonconformists. Consider the quote from Lyndon B. Johnson: "If you can convince the lowest white ma…

> and then for a while it was gay people, but then then gay people became too popular and too well supported; and now the target is transgender people and gender nonconformists.

This law explicitly bans discussion of Gay people.

Post reply on HN