I'm really surprised that 30-40000 years ago the average age of conception was 35 for men and 24 for women
Study reveals average age at conception for men vs. women over past 250k years
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Re: Study reveals average age at conception for men vs. women over past 250k years
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a simpler explanation. Those older men are known actors/stars who have established some influence in the industry. That or some people might buy tickets to watch movies because it has a familiar name in leading role. The combination of the two above might be enough to explain why the older men can still play lead roles in movies.
Well, that leads to the question, why only men were famous actors past 40, which is where the arguments becomes tautological. Because men can have attractive roles past 40 and women not, or only very rarely. I don't remember the name of the movie, but it was about greek and a female character that was 40, but the cast was not offered to a 40 year old, but a 30 year old. Because 40 year old women are not supposed to l…
Biased age disparity in marriage is hardly a "fantasy" or even "taboo". I suspect if you looked at e.g. the top quintile of male earners, or those who married more than once, you're liable to see an even more pronounced gap over the aggregate median. Equally as interesting, how do wealthy divorced/widowed women marry afterwards?
Poking at US presidents that stood out (i.e. more than 5 years):
| President | Born | Spouse| Delta |
|-----------|-------|-------|-------|
| Biden | 1942 | 1951* | 9 |
| Trump | 1946 | 1970* | 24 |
| Reagan | 1911 | 1921* | 10 |
| Kennedy | 1917 | 1929 | 12 |
| Eisenhower| 1890 | 1896 | 6 |
| Wilson | 1856 | 1872* | 16 |
| Harrison | 1833 | 1858* | 25 |
| Cleveland | 1837 | 1864 | 27 |
| Arthur | 1829 | 1837 | 8 |
| Hayes | 1822 | 1831 | 9 |
| Lincoln | 1809 | 1818 | 9 |
| Fillmore | 1800 | 1813* | 13 |
| Polk | 1795 | 1803 | 8 |
| Tyler | 1790 | 1820* | 30 |
| Q. Adams | 1767 | 1775 | 8 |
| Monroe | 1758 | 1768 | 10 |
| Madison | 1751 | 1768 | 17 |
| Adams | 1735 | 1744 | 9 |
*: latest marriage
> The first time you marry for love, the second for money, and the third for companionship.
Re: Study reveals average age at conception for men vs. women over past 250k years
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
A fundamental tenet of much modern science (and, especially, punditry) is that humans have completed the evolutionary process.
There are no modern scientists who understand evolution and think it can be "completed" or that humans have done so. If you stand by your assertion, please provide evidence.
> There are no modern scientists who understand evolution and think it can be "completed" or that humans have done so.
There are many modern scientists who don't understand evolution.
Re: Study reveals average age at conception for men vs. women over past 250k years
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
As I understand it, what the OP is saying is not something any study could ever control for without perfectly preserved DNA from a statistically significant sample of DNA from human populations going back to old generations. Any study that uses DNA collected from modern humans will weed out the DNA of humans whose descendants are not living today. Hence survivorship bias.
The problem is turning your 2 minute analysis into a conclusion instead of an informed question. The Internet is filled with such conclusions; another adds nothing.
>>The Internet is filled with such conclusions; another adds nothing.
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Problem is, the internet is also filled with studies that prove or disprove anything you want, best to be skeptical.
I personally don't put much credence into any studies that seriously thinks they can make any factual accurate statements about things that may or may not have happened 250,000 years ago. Science is never settled.
Re: Study reveals average age at conception for men vs. women over past 250k years
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, that leads to the question, why only men were famous actors past 40, which is where the arguments becomes tautological. Because men can have attractive roles past 40 and women not, or only very rarely. I don't remember the name of the movie, but it was about greek and a female character that was 40, but the cast was not offered to a 40 year old, but a 30 year old. Because 40 year old women are not supposed to l…
Biased age disparity in marriage is hardly a "fantasy" or even "taboo". I suspect if you looked at e.g. the top quintile of male earners, or those who married more than once, you're liable to see an even more pronounced gap over the aggregate median. Equally as interesting, how do wealthy divorced/widowed women marry afterwards? Poking at US presidents that stood out (i.e. more than 5 years): | President | Born | Spo…
Well yes, there is this image, that the successful older men, has a younger wife (and even younger affairs). But the average men has not. Hence serving the "fantasy" of the target audience.
But as far as I observe, this is frowned upon today. It still exists of course, many of the hollywood heros regulary change their 20 year old models for partner, but there is increasing criticism about it. I mean, my partner is 7 years younger and even this was met with criticism.
Re: Study reveals average age at conception for men vs. women over past 250k years
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
What world do you live in where 50 year old men don’t want 20 year old wives?
Why would you want a 20 year old wife at age 50. The maturity gap would be almost unbridgeable. The only benefits are sexual and even then the maturity aspect might play a part. Even in my late 20s, the idea of someone who has just left their teens would be deal breaker
A surprising amount of people don't mature at all between 17 and 57.
Re: Study reveals average age at conception for men vs. women over past 250k years
#97Amazing that, just a century after Einstein, modern science has progressed to the point of not only having developed time travel, but also the means to get a not-yet-blastocyst to reliably communicate “you’re about nine months early, genius” in untold numbers of dead and/or dying languages.
Re: Study reveals average age at conception for men vs. women over past 250k years
#98Tbh, I thought in early humans females got pregnant at 12-15. Simply because that when they begin to have the capability to have kids.
Are female hunter-gatherers even sexually mature by 12-15?
Re: Study reveals average age at conception for men vs. women over past 250k years
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
So it seems, that those movies are mainly targeted at older mens fantasy and do not represent reality. Quelle surprise.
Or first marriage is not the only marriage.
This. One of my ancestors (I think great, great grandfather) had 3 wives, all younger than him.
The reason for that is that 2 of them died in child birth. Modern medicine is a wonderful thing.
Re: Study reveals average age at conception for men vs. women over past 250k years
#100It seems they used modern human mutation rates, which vary by ~300%, to predict age at reproduction. Since the relationship between this rate in parents and the offspring even a few generations back does not seem to be particularly well understood, it seems they would have a hard time reaching back very far into history with this analysis and claiming any accuracy at all. To me it reads like someone bought a cheap e.…
This point was already addressed in the research. It is tiring to see this low effort comments on every research thread, thinking that the researchers are idiots and there is no need to read the article to reject it.
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