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Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
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Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#362Earlier quoted context omitted.
From a user experience perspective it's interesting that it may be a worse experience to get a set of links and have to pick from them and use cognitive effort to discern which sources are reliable, than to simply use ChatGPT and get an answer. But this step is precisely where verification happens.
I think you are vastly overestimating the amount of cognitive effort most people apply to Google search results. It's more like "First one on the list? Well, that one's right -- unless it disagrees with my personal biases, then maybe I'll look for another one."
I didn't suggest that people are good at making that effort. They arent. But the irony is that it's precisely in that difficulty that the act of verification lies. The fact that it's so difficult that it's not at all an efficient method for discernment suggests that it's either done on purpose or Google's UI is just not good for that purpose, or both.
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#363Seems like Google leadership is freaking out. Also sounds like they really believe the whole founder-hero mythology if they think that Page-Brin can save the company. I don’t know how Google could be saved but perhaps having grateful and happy employees that would just build things in their 20% time might have been a better strategy. A truly revolutionary step would have been to buck the layoffs trend. But of course…
Well, they should not count on the founders "vision", as they tried to sell Google for $1 million, and after a little bargaining even went as low as $750,000...
https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/4/20994361/google-alphabet-...
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#364Earlier quoted context omitted.
How do you verify that ChatGPT’s answer is accurate (it often enough isn’t), if not by googling?
You could use any search engine, and just gather 'decent' results -- scrape the first 3 results and compare using a new instance of a language model to tell you what's inaccurate in the first one based off the fine tuning data.
Yeah, if I can't trust the intial answer, I also can't trust any of the refinements. It will be a long way before you can get a similar level of assurance by asking a number of different language models as you can get now by looking at various sources around the web.
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#365Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pagerank (TM) was a Google innovation and the reason Google had much better results than the others and it took many years for the SEO spammers to catch up. That revolution, combined with the philosophy of the speedy, focused homepage and the elimination of irrelevant results by always using the ‘AND’ operator was why their popularity exploded.
Other people invented pagerank and used it for pageranking before Google. It's just a centrality metric.
Jeff Dean even posted on G+ about how he essentially independently invented a variant of pagerank at DEC, but his supposed collaborator couldn't figure out how to open a tar archive, and that was the proximate cause of his leaving DEC.
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
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Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#367Seems like Google leadership is freaking out. Also sounds like they really believe the whole founder-hero mythology if they think that Page-Brin can save the company. I don’t know how Google could be saved but perhaps having grateful and happy employees that would just build things in their 20% time might have been a better strategy. A truly revolutionary step would have been to buck the layoffs trend. But of course…
> Also sounds like they really believe the whole founder-hero mythology
It’s not that at all.
Given that Larry + Sergey still control Google (>50% shareholder votes), seem prudent to meet with who controls the company to debrief them on current events & action plan.
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#368Earlier quoted context omitted.
No arguments there. They're still trying; just not hard enough.
I mean, once you are past the free tier.. GSuite is close to the monthly cost of Office365, and Google sheets is not even close to Excel. You can basically program mini applications in Excel vs a basic spreadsheet app for medium sized spreadsheets that multiple people can edit in their browser with version tracking.
I keep pulling data into Google sheets because of this
>=REGEXEXTRACT("My favorite number is 241, but my friend's is 17", "\d+")
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
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How much of that is googles fault and how much of that is that it’s hard to have a good idea for a personal project and follow through with it? When I was in my 20s all my friends (young single kid less, so plenty of free time) would often TALK about wanting to do a project but few ever did. I wouldn’t be surprised if for most people the marginal sense of accomplishment and meaning is just higher by working on their…
> it’s hard to have a good idea for a personal project There was actually a 20% marketplace page, where projects seeking 20%-ers would advertise. It wasn't necessary to have an idea yourself.
Just guessing here but sounds like you had to have interest in someone else’s crappy/uninteresting idea, which likely was rare. It’s like those cofounder matching sites, most people have a crappy/uninteresting idea they want others to help them with. People without ideas go there and immediately turn away.
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#370A lot of my reason for googling was to find facts or answers for what I’m writing or coding. Now I use ChatGPT as an “assistant” to do a lot of tasks that I would have normally done with laborious searching through google. It truly saves a lot of time. Google is right to be quite worried. Sure I still use google but really, maybe only 40% of as much time as I did before. Why research: “give me 30 of the most common h…
ChatGPT often makes up facts. It outputs stuff that looks like it could have been written by a human, not stuff that is correct. Don’t use ChatGPT for medical research.
Isn't there a medical chat-gpt that passed the medical licensing exam? I thought I saw that come up..