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Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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It’s funny because when I was in high school the argument was always “books, published articles and other print media are actual source material, Google doesn’t give you that”

You think Google does not provide results from books, published articles, etc? Really?

Probably not when op was in high school, if they were still using books over web tools. I'm guessing before 2004? How old is google scholar?

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Never tried it myself, but a question comes to mind: Can you ask it to state how confident it is in the truth of its answer? Is it well-calibrated in that sense? If so, perhaps that'd make it more useful.

A related thing I've done -- My mom's a college professor, and she's worried about her students using ChatGPT to cheat. So she wants to engineer questions in a way that cheating is impossible, perhaps by even incorporating ChatGPT into the curriculum in some ways. To explore possibilities, she's enlisting my help. So one thing I did was give it some prompt (the first one I chose was a vague thing, "contrast the theme…

One easy to deal with blatant cheating is to have sone writing done in class and a grader can compare their out of class essays with in class. It should be straightforward to determine obvious cheaters or those that need to cheat.

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These arguments are just like the old days when wikipedia showed up. Don't miss the forest for the trees. ChatGPT is a huge threat to google and a bunch of other industries.

Not comparable. Wikipedia has always had a strict policy on citing sources. ChatGPT can't cite sources by design, because its answers are based on synthesis.

It wouldn't be too hard to program at least gpt3 to basically take a chatGPT answer, go to google, scrape results and verify if the chatGPT answer was factual or not and maybe give it a score or rating of factual-ness.

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Without peer? It gets facts completely wrong for which Google produces the correct result on the first hit.

Are we using the same google? Unless I add 'reddit' to the results, I hardly can even find anything useful anymore.

I am claiming google always provides the best results but that ChstGPT many times gives completely incorrect answers for which the right answer is found in the first result of a simple google search.

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This iteration of shake-up is not strictly about tech superiority, though. Google probably already has a repro of ChatGPT running in their datacenters. Fundamentally, it's about product, and expectation shift. I am presently routinely having conversations, and for the first time in the history of the Internet, getting straight answers to moderately complex questions, and their follow-ups , in real time, from ChatGPT.…

How do you verify that ChatGPT’s answer is accurate (it often enough isn’t), if not by googling?

You could use any search engine, and just gather 'decent' results -- scrape the first 3 results and compare using a new instance of a language model to tell you what's inaccurate in the first one based off the fine tuning data.

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Long long time ago at a conference I did hold a talk (about something that is now common knowledge) that SEO is not a product, it's a channel. And an ad based revenue model does not work based on SEO. As as soon as the revenue (which is coupled with traffic) goes down you are inclined to just ad more ads or make ads more agressive, which counteracts good UX which will lead to further traffic loss, which leads to more…

I have a theory shittier search results are so you try 2-3 times to find what you're looking for so they can give you 3x the ads, or so you click ads because they're probably way more relevant now than the actual results.

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its smart to be downwardly mobile!

I have more respect for the Wall Streeters: at least they're honest and don't go around pretending they're saving the world with their latest compiles-to-Javascript.

Most people, if they were honest, would admit they work to make money to have a life.

SV has a strong tilt towards pretending whatever BS get rich quick scheme of ad / VC supported is saving the world. It's weird watching it from the outside and imagine the other path not taken.

In 20 years we may look back at social media, smartphones, the whole PII data based economy with its recommendation algo rage loops as our generations Big Tobacco.

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Actually at the start the founders didn’t think search would be continue to be as dominant as it has been (will have to find the source and update…)

That's right- Larry wanted a question-answering machine. Larry and Sergey "got bored of search" (I heard this from the engs who were going to weekly presentations to show new search features) when they felt it was just chasing a larger index and showing people what they wanted to click on.

Meanwhile I long for the days where this was Google's focus. I want a better index of the web and I want the search engine to give me the tools to filter out the garbage I don't want. The fact that this isn't a feature tells you everything you need to know about Google's real priority: it's not us, it's the advertisers.

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What's the general opinion on Sundar Pichai as CEO? I haven't been excited about Google since Eric Schmidt, but I don't know how much of that is down to the CEO, and how much is just down to a different world and larger company. In contrast I think most people would agree that Microsoft is a much more interesting and maybe better company with Satya Nadella as boss.

Google needs a CEO that is driven and with a product-centric approach and this is not what I currently see in Sundar.

Google is extremely well positioned to respond to ChatGPT as they already have a very popular assistant in people's pockets and homes all over the world.

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A lot of my reason for googling was to find facts or answers for what I’m writing or coding. Now I use ChatGPT as an “assistant” to do a lot of tasks that I would have normally done with laborious searching through google. It truly saves a lot of time. Google is right to be quite worried. Sure I still use google but really, maybe only 40% of as much time as I did before. Why research: “give me 30 of the most common h…

> I can confirm the output and clean up the generated text into my own style... to support online marketing activities. it sounds like you're using AI generated output to do content marketing to support SEO activities for a healthcare client at a marketing agency if this is the case, when humans search for [organic] content on health conditions related to the human liver (on Google) you are hoping they land on ChatGP…

Ugh I’m not.
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