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Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by abnry »

kirsebaer wrote: post #158
eric4smith wrote: post #151

A lot of my reason for googling was to find facts or answers for what I’m writing or coding. Now I use ChatGPT as an “assistant” to do a lot of tasks that I would have normally done with laborious searching through google. It truly saves a lot of time. Google is right to be quite worried. Sure I still use google but really, maybe only 40% of as much time as I did before. Why research: “give me 30 of the most common h…

ChatGPT often makes up facts. It outputs stuff that looks like it could have been written by a human, not stuff that is correct. Don’t use ChatGPT for medical research.

Let's say ChatGPT gives you false information 50% of the time. It is still useful.

Just like it is harder to find primes numbers than verify that a number is prime, it is harder to dig up potential tidbits of information than to verify a piece of information handed to you is true.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by v0x »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #206
archagon wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT is only "truthy", however. The algorithm will happily give you information that sounds true, but is actually wrong. And if it's wrong even 1% of time, you will still need some way to verify its claims.

On the other hand, the same is also true of Google results. The web is chock full of incorrect stuff, both unintentional and deliberately deceptive.

At least with traditional search results, there are some indicia of their trustworthiness: does the author/outlet have a history of deception, are their assertions well-sourced, etc. With a chatbot result, it's effectively a black box.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

eric4smith wrote: post #151

A lot of my reason for googling was to find facts or answers for what I’m writing or coding. Now I use ChatGPT as an “assistant” to do a lot of tasks that I would have normally done with laborious searching through google. It truly saves a lot of time. Google is right to be quite worried. Sure I still use google but really, maybe only 40% of as much time as I did before. Why research: “give me 30 of the most common h…

I don’t really get your example. You could search for common liver conditions and then get a link to WebMD or Mayo Clinic very, very quickly and you can be very confident that it is accurate. If I’m a 4th grader using ChatGPT to cheat on my math homework, I might be quite satisfied with the answer that 42 is a prime number and even provide its great proof.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by tasuki »

kirsebaer wrote: post #158
eric4smith wrote: post #151

A lot of my reason for googling was to find facts or answers for what I’m writing or coding. Now I use ChatGPT as an “assistant” to do a lot of tasks that I would have normally done with laborious searching through google. It truly saves a lot of time. Google is right to be quite worried. Sure I still use google but really, maybe only 40% of as much time as I did before. Why research: “give me 30 of the most common h…

ChatGPT often makes up facts. It outputs stuff that looks like it could have been written by a human, not stuff that is correct. Don’t use ChatGPT for medical research.

> ChatGPT often makes up facts.

As opposed to... Google? Your doctor? My doctor?

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by [deleted] »

pm90 wrote: post #118

Seems like Google leadership is freaking out. Also sounds like they really believe the whole founder-hero mythology if they think that Page-Brin can save the company. I don’t know how Google could be saved but perhaps having grateful and happy employees that would just build things in their 20% time might have been a better strategy. A truly revolutionary step would have been to buck the layoffs trend. But of course…

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Post by zxcvbn4038 »

pm90 wrote: post #118

Seems like Google leadership is freaking out. Also sounds like they really believe the whole founder-hero mythology if they think that Page-Brin can save the company. I don’t know how Google could be saved but perhaps having grateful and happy employees that would just build things in their 20% time might have been a better strategy. A truly revolutionary step would have been to buck the layoffs trend. But of course…

I think this goes back to Google’s decision to be evil.

Being evil has a lot of overhead where you have to invest significant time into researching grey areas to exploit and then crafting your product or service not step over the line. Then it falls apart when you get to Europe and they are happy to call you on being evil and fine you billions of euros for doing evil things.

Google should go back to not being evil, that worked a lot better for them, and just focus on making cutting edge products.

It would also be great if they answered the phone on occasion, and did more to listen to their users. Community support is an obvious cop-out, and nobody wants be dismissed without warning or explanation when it involves something they care about.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

abnry wrote: post #221
kirsebaer wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT often makes up facts. It outputs stuff that looks like it could have been written by a human, not stuff that is correct. Don’t use ChatGPT for medical research.

Let's say ChatGPT gives you false information 50% of the time. It is still useful. Just like it is harder to find primes numbers than verify that a number is prime, it is harder to dig up potential tidbits of information than to verify a piece of information handed to you is true.

50% is still useful? A broken watch is useful in that sense as well I guess. I can only see that has useful if you don’t include efficient in the definition of useful.

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Post by issa »

bob29 wrote: post #177
scarface74 wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depending on the day of the week, I might be doing a standard enterprisey dev project or I might be doing a “DevOps” project automating some things around AWS (where I work in ProServe) using the AWS SDK. Before ChatGPT, I would spend a lot of time searching on Google for the right API call and the response structure: Problem: I need a simple Python script that list roles in an AWS account that has at least one of a…

Lol dude I just googled “script list IAM roles that contain policy” and this was the top result. Probably less typing than the usual silly authoritative tone people use when composing an “AI” prompt , like they’re Tony Stark or Captain Picard . And trust me, once u google stack overflow enough pretty soon you won’t need to ask anyone how to output a csv https://stackoverflow.com/questions/66127551/list-of-all-rol...

I agree completely. Hilarious example. But, hell, if a product's pitch is "you'll feel like Tony Stark or Captain Picard" it will probably be successful.

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Post by [deleted] »

rapsey wrote: post #172
steveBK123 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes this is the most insane thing about GOOG to me. Yes, search is basically monopoly moat of recurring growing revenue. On the other hand, they've spent not a decade, but about 25 years betting this would remain the case! I've met a lot of people who work at GOOG, and yet none of them could explain to me how the thing they work on makes any money for GOOG. In fact, most went out of their way to volunteer to me that…

I guess they were counting on one of the moonshots to work out.

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Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by Jensson »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #181
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume ChatGPT will cost around $1 per query for consumers. That's low enough to put human copywriters out of business, but high enough that I don't ever see regular humans pay for it for day-to-day tasks. So eventually this is some sort complex of B2B product, and that is very difficult to execute.

People are using it now for free, why would it cost $1 ?

It is a free trial.
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