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Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by CyberDildonics »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #130
Avalaxy wrote: post #103

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> MSFT will never get that $10 billion back Easily. By integrating it into their developer tools, office suite, Azure, Dynamics, etc. You can automate/support SO many tasks with the toolsuite that OpenAI offers. In addition to that, the way I understand it they can simply make money by licensing others to use those tools. They already started offering the OpenAI services through Azure.

I assume ChatGPT will cost around $1 per query for consumers. That's low enough to put human copywriters out of business, but high enough that I don't ever see regular humans pay for it for day-to-day tasks. So eventually this is some sort complex of B2B product, and that is very difficult to execute.

People are using it now for free, why would it cost $1 ?

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Post by frakt0x90 »

bognition wrote: post #161
kirsebaer wrote: post #158

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ChatGPT often makes up facts. It outputs stuff that looks like it could have been written by a human, not stuff that is correct. Don’t use ChatGPT for medical research.

Absolutely the case, but also people make up stuff online all the time, so google has this exact same problem.

At least with Google you have sources you can trust more than others whereas ChatGPT is a black box

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Post by eastbound »

steveBK123 wrote: post #155
trentnix wrote: post #139

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They should be freaking out. Google is overwhelmingly dependent on a single revenue stream and AI like ChatGPT is a serious threat to their dominant position. Not to mention, Google has spent a decade using their defacto monopoly as leverage and optimizing for ads and clicks, often exploiting their own users in the process. The bar for better was lower than it should have been, and the market is hungry for an alterna…

Yes this is the most insane thing about GOOG to me. Yes, search is basically monopoly moat of recurring growing revenue. On the other hand, they've spent not a decade, but about 25 years betting this would remain the case! I've met a lot of people who work at GOOG, and yet none of them could explain to me how the thing they work on makes any money for GOOG. In fact, most went out of their way to volunteer to me that…

It’s not the people, it’s the management that decided which traits they would reward, both at hiring and during the career.

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Post by epolanski »

I think the OpenAI argument is overblown.

While I do agree that AI is going to bring a huge shake up to the search market, I still believe that Google is in the best position to fight this battle.

Realistically, given how fast the AI field improves month after month, do we think it will take long for Google to replicate a product similar to ChatGPT? I don't think so.

And then they are the company that's best suited to have this AI driven search in Android and Google search thus limiting the impact of this whole problem.

Sure, maybe Microsoft will deprive them of some developers that will look for information inside VS Code or their editor, and stuff like that, but overall I don't see Google going to suffer that much as long as they are able to answer the ChatGPT challenge in a meaningful time, something they should be easily able to do given their immense computational and data resources.

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Post by ForHackernews »

steveBK123 wrote: post #155
trentnix wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They should be freaking out. Google is overwhelmingly dependent on a single revenue stream and AI like ChatGPT is a serious threat to their dominant position. Not to mention, Google has spent a decade using their defacto monopoly as leverage and optimizing for ads and clicks, often exploiting their own users in the process. The bar for better was lower than it should have been, and the market is hungry for an alterna…

Yes this is the most insane thing about GOOG to me. Yes, search is basically monopoly moat of recurring growing revenue. On the other hand, they've spent not a decade, but about 25 years betting this would remain the case! I've met a lot of people who work at GOOG, and yet none of them could explain to me how the thing they work on makes any money for GOOG. In fact, most went out of their way to volunteer to me that…

Maybe really genuinely smart people want to work on something that matters more than just making money.

I think there's a reason the average physicist is much brighter than your average Google software engineer, but gets paid about a fifth as much.

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Post by sdrinf »

epolanski wrote: post #184

I think the OpenAI argument is overblown. While I do agree that AI is going to bring a huge shake up to the search market, I still believe that Google is in the best position to fight this battle. Realistically, given how fast the AI field improves month after month, do we think it will take long for Google to replicate a product similar to ChatGPT? I don't think so. And then they are the company that's best suited t…

This iteration of shake-up is not strictly about tech superiority, though. Google probably already has a repro of ChatGPT running in their datacenters.

Fundamentally, it's about product, and expectation shift. I am presently routinely having conversations, and for the first time in the history of the Internet, getting straight answers to moderately complex questions, and their follow-ups, in real time, from ChatGPT. Google's entire business model is "giving people pages on the Internet that might contain those answers", and some of those being paid for the user's clicks.

If I get the full answer, instantly, wrapped in 2 paragraphs of text.... where do the ads go? Editorials inside the answer? Why would I click them?

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Post by archagon »

datavirtue wrote: post #178
trentnix wrote: post #139

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They should be freaking out. Google is overwhelmingly dependent on a single revenue stream and AI like ChatGPT is a serious threat to their dominant position. Not to mention, Google has spent a decade using their defacto monopoly as leverage and optimizing for ads and clicks, often exploiting their own users in the process. The bar for better was lower than it should have been, and the market is hungry for an alterna…

Before it got choked off I had started using chatGPT for all of my searches. For code examples it blows google out of the water. For learning esoteric things (like congressional procedures etc.) quickly, it is without peer. I think Google's founders offered their take years ago...no one listened then.

ChatGPT is only "truthy", however. The algorithm will happily give you information that sounds true, but is actually wrong. And if it's wrong even 1% of time, you will still need some way to verify its claims.

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

tinus_hn wrote: post #137
atombender wrote: post #129

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Google beat their original competitors — Altavista, Excite, Yahoo!, and so on — with an incremental improvement, not a new model. At the time (2000-2003), their search was better and faster, certainly, but not several orders of magnitude better. In fact, Google was something of a reactionary model at the time, by rejecting the push for bloated, captive "web portals" and going back to the simpler, stripped-down user e…

Pagerank (TM) was a Google innovation and the reason Google had much better results than the others and it took many years for the SEO spammers to catch up. That revolution, combined with the philosophy of the speedy, focused homepage and the elimination of irrelevant results by always using the ‘AND’ operator was why their popularity exploded.

All a Google killer has to do is resurrect Altavista's near operator which is what ChatGPT is doing in an abstracted way.

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Post by ForHackernews »

eric4smith wrote: post #151

A lot of my reason for googling was to find facts or answers for what I’m writing or coding. Now I use ChatGPT as an “assistant” to do a lot of tasks that I would have normally done with laborious searching through google. It truly saves a lot of time. Google is right to be quite worried. Sure I still use google but really, maybe only 40% of as much time as I did before. Why research: “give me 30 of the most common h…

> It’s not there to replace people’s work.

Well, right up until the day after ChatGPT2 is better than your junior employee + ChatGPT.

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