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Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by d4rkp4ttern »

csomar wrote: post #9
paganel wrote: post #8

Related, and I'm most probably missing something, but is there a way to use/test ChatGPT without having to create an account on OpenAI?

They are the least “open” company out there. They are also nosy about your business and always “afraid” you are doing something you shouldn’t be doing. Unless you are paying for the API of course. They went from very open to very closed and “private” to open up again because competition caught up with them (lookup mid-journey for example).

WAR IS PEACE IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH FREEDOM IS SLAVERY … CLOSED IS OPEN

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by nichch »

tacker2000 wrote: post #14
imoverclocked wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has privacy in the forefront of its ecosystem.

Oh come on, Apple has had numerous privacy issues as well. What about uploading every photo to their server to check for child porn? What about uploading every binary you run to their server to check if its “approved”? People really need to put down their “sheeple” glasses. Apple is a huge public company like all the others, beholden to profit their shareholders and thats it. All that virtue signalling that they do i…

> What about uploading every binary you run to their server to check if its “approved”?

My understanding was macOS only checked the signature of third party executables before first run.

Windows may let you run it first, but any unknown executable (not just a hash, the file itself) gets sent to Microsoft by default. [0]

[0] https://medium.com/sensorfu/how-my-application-ran-away-and-...

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by Avalaxy »

funstuff007 wrote: post #73

I would posit that it's more Microsoft freaking out over ChatGPT than Google. MSFT will never get that $10 billion back.

> MSFT will never get that $10 billion back

Easily. By integrating it into their developer tools, office suite, Azure, Dynamics, etc. You can automate/support SO many tasks with the toolsuite that OpenAI offers.

In addition to that, the way I understand it they can simply make money by licensing others to use those tools. They already started offering the OpenAI services through Azure.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by eshch »

lukan wrote: post #50
fragmede wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple does the same horseshit with battery charging guessing. Just give me a toggle setting for stop at 80% full.

"Just give me a toggle setting for stop at 80% full." And another toggle for 100% when I do need full charge, because I go somewhere. Why such basic functionality is not avaiable, is a bit frustrating.

dunno, there is the one-time toggle in the notification area for 100% in my pixel and there is a toggle to turn off these adaptive features in settings.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by sorenjan »

What's the general opinion on Sundar Pichai as CEO? I haven't been excited about Google since Eric Schmidt, but I don't know how much of that is down to the CEO, and how much is just down to a different world and larger company.

In contrast I think most people would agree that Microsoft is a much more interesting and maybe better company with Satya Nadella as boss.

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Post by svantana »

college_physics wrote: post #81

"In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one obsolete." Transcribing this profound insight of Buckminster Fuller to the current debate: You cannot out-do google by inventing "smarter" search. You need to create a new business model that makes the old one obsolete. Is there any evidence that all this algorithmic magic…

Exactly. Search ads are pretty much the perfect internet business model - if my biz is having a sale on lawnmowers, who better to target than people googling for "buy lawnmower"? If this is done right, everyone walks away happy and google makes a killing. ChatGPT is great, but it's pretty far from providing good answers to "where can I get a good deal on a lawnmower right now?" They might take over a decent share of esoteric, "school assignment" type queries, but they're not really a threat for the high-value searches.

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Post by bachmeier »

> More important to Google, it looked as if it could offer a new way to search for information on the internet.

I'd scratch "new" from that sentence. If it was simply another option for searching, Google would not be worried. They've been milking their monopoly on search for years to sell ads, trading off the quality of search results for years, to the point that Google's useless for a wide range of searches. Now they're looking at a competitor that actually gives users what they need and they know they're screwed.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by unsupp0rted »

svantana wrote: post #107
college_physics wrote: post #81

"In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one obsolete." Transcribing this profound insight of Buckminster Fuller to the current debate: You cannot out-do google by inventing "smarter" search. You need to create a new business model that makes the old one obsolete. Is there any evidence that all this algorithmic magic…

Exactly. Search ads are pretty much the perfect internet business model - if my biz is having a sale on lawnmowers, who better to target than people googling for "buy lawnmower"? If this is done right, everyone walks away happy and google makes a killing. ChatGPT is great, but it's pretty far from providing good answers to "where can I get a good deal on a lawnmower right now?" They might take over a decent share of…

If ChatGPT had up to the minute crawl results and my Geo location, that'd be enough.

"Help me buy whichever budget electric range Wirecutter recommends at the moment".

> Okay, here's the store near your home that is selling the Frigidaire electric range that Wirecutter is currently recommending, at the best price.

> Would you like to buy it online at roughly the same price or get the address of the store?

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