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Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by karamanolev »

college_physics wrote: post #81

"In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one obsolete." Transcribing this profound insight of Buckminster Fuller to the current debate: You cannot out-do google by inventing "smarter" search. You need to create a new business model that makes the old one obsolete. Is there any evidence that all this algorithmic magic…

Search existed before Google. They also didn't invent adtech. Instead of a marginal improvement, they made it so much better that the previous option looked silly. If such a disruption happens again to the core technology (e.g. search through a ChatGPT-like entity), whether the financial backing is adtech will be irrelevant.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by vanviegen »

clumsysmurf wrote: post #24

> Google announced it’s laying off more than 12,000 employees and focusing on AI as a domain of primary importance. I have had an Android phone since Froyo. I liked it when the functionality was simple and didn't try to inject too much suggestions / AI. Now, Google Photos app is trying to suggest things to print, the Settings app is trying to predict when and how to charge my battery (I just want it 80%, all the time…

The one that bothers me most is that background services are now management by some AI thingy, in order to 'optimize battery usage'. Ergo, background services are now unreliable.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by quadcore »

college_physics wrote: post #81

"In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one obsolete." Transcribing this profound insight of Buckminster Fuller to the current debate: You cannot out-do google by inventing "smarter" search. You need to create a new business model that makes the old one obsolete. Is there any evidence that all this algorithmic magic…

Is there any evidence that all this algorithmic magic is enabling new business models that are not based on adtech more likely?

I think the revenue assumption here lies on the fact that GPT generates content when the web wait for the user to provide the content. Generates congent, for lawyers or hospitals for example - pardon my lack of imagination. So a basic business model would be to charge per request I suppose.

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Post by vageli »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #68
clumsysmurf wrote: post #24

> Google announced it’s laying off more than 12,000 employees and focusing on AI as a domain of primary importance. I have had an Android phone since Froyo. I liked it when the functionality was simple and didn't try to inject too much suggestions / AI. Now, Google Photos app is trying to suggest things to print, the Settings app is trying to predict when and how to charge my battery (I just want it 80%, all the time…

Instead of the focus on AI, I'd like to see something like Shortcuts on iOS, which allows users to automate frequent tasks, and due to being developed by Google it would be a first class citizen of the OS, for which app developers will add integrations. That way it at least serves the user, and not a paperclip maximiser for engagement.

Google has something similar to Shortcuts, called Action Blocks.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by closewith »

chazeon wrote: post #85

I kind of feel they should be. I cannot remember what their last major customer-facing AI product launch after Google Assistant. Sure there is AI in photo tuning and many interesting features for the Pixel phone, and there is Gmail autocomplete but I remember I used to really following every Google product launch when I was a kid: there is Google Reader, Google Drive launch in those days. That excitement was kind of…

Personally I've no interest in any new Google products because who knows when it may be discontinued with little or no notice. Most recently Optimize, but I've also been burned by Universal Analytics, Fusion Tables, goo.gl, and Google Site Search.

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Post by karmakaze »

nprateem wrote: post #67
roenxi wrote: post #44

> The demo for the chatbot search says Google will prioritize “getting facts right, ensuring safety and getting rid of misinformation,” This goes to the chaotic problem which is still to be decided. There is no consensus position on what facts are, what is safe and what is misinformation. Part of the success of modern democracy hinges on being able to switch the leadership out with people who have a different frame o…

You're talking about interpretation. Facts are facts.

It depends on when. Atoms were supposed to be atomic, then protons/neutrons/electrons indivisible, etc. During transition phases, facts are not.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by geoduck14 »

college_physics wrote: post #81

"In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one obsolete." Transcribing this profound insight of Buckminster Fuller to the current debate: You cannot out-do google by inventing "smarter" search. You need to create a new business model that makes the old one obsolete. Is there any evidence that all this algorithmic magic…

I'm using GPT3.x to make money at work

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by dpkirchner »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #75

I don't understand why they freak out. Every single time I have used ChatGPT (which isn't many), it gave me an absolutely unusable answer completely off the mark. It's funny to see FAANG CEOs have FOMO over what is essentially smoke and mirrors.

I would guess they are less concerned about where ChatGPT is today than where it will be in 5 years.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by iLoveOncall »

dpkirchner wrote: post #98
iLoveOncall wrote: post #75

I don't understand why they freak out. Every single time I have used ChatGPT (which isn't many), it gave me an absolutely unusable answer completely off the mark. It's funny to see FAANG CEOs have FOMO over what is essentially smoke and mirrors.

I would guess they are less concerned about where ChatGPT is today than where it will be in 5 years.

Even more convincing when it is wrong?

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by ignoramous »

chazeon wrote: post #85

I kind of feel they should be. I cannot remember what their last major customer-facing AI product launch after Google Assistant. Sure there is AI in photo tuning and many interesting features for the Pixel phone, and there is Gmail autocomplete but I remember I used to really following every Google product launch when I was a kid: there is Google Reader, Google Drive launch in those days. That excitement was kind of…

> I love their JAX

For those out of loop: https://github.com/google/jax

See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29682507

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