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Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by danaris »

cm2187 wrote: post #54
TacticalCoder wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ... i can't wait for them to crash completely. But wouldn't Google, even without search ads (which are only up +4% YOY to $40 bn), still be a hundred of billions behemoth? Sure it wouldn't have a 1.3 trillion cap without search ads but Google is also Android, Chrome, ChromeOS, Google Workspace / Google Suite (which, what, 7 millions of SMEs are using), cloud services, etc. I don't see Google "crashing completely" a…

IBM and GE are still around. Doesn't mean they haven't irreversibly peaked.

Yeah; I think far, far too many people think that the decline of a company like Google would look like a near-immediate collapse into either irrelevance or outright destruction.

That's not remotely realistic. It's much more likely to look like what's happened to IBM since the rise of personal computing: its special "no one ever got fired for buying it" status goes away, and while it may linger as a company that still provides a product and/or service to other companies (those it's managed to make itself indispensable to), it may shrink, and its popular image fade, for a number of years. Given the differences in Google's portfolio vs IBM's, I'd say there is more of a chance that Google would eventually collapse down to nothing, or nearly so, but it would still take a good while for that to happen.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by kevingadd »

nprateem wrote: post #67
roenxi wrote: post #44

> The demo for the chatbot search says Google will prioritize “getting facts right, ensuring safety and getting rid of misinformation,” This goes to the chaotic problem which is still to be decided. There is no consensus position on what facts are, what is safe and what is misinformation. Part of the success of modern democracy hinges on being able to switch the leadership out with people who have a different frame o…

You're talking about interpretation. Facts are facts.

There are a vast many important and meaningful questions someone can type into Google that don't have a single factual answer. At that point, credibility, sourcing etc all matter a lot and misinformation is dangerous.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by acdha »

simplotek wrote: post #64
SanjayMehta wrote: post #48

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Apple's AI is on your phone. It unobtrusive. Recently I needed to quickly find a company's QR code which I had photographed and Photos search found it in an instance. It even finds text inside images. Am sure Android has these features but I don't know if they work offline.

> Apple's AI is on your phone. It unobtrusive. Recently I needed to quickly find a company's QR code which I had photographed and Photos search found it in an instance. I believe the iPhone automatically classifies photos based on who or what show up in them. Users can contribute to train classifiers, but the iPhone already works out of the box. The iPhone also creates theme-based photo albums from the photos you too…

> I'm not sure OCR counts as AI

This is a great example of the AI effect where people would call something AI when it was a daunting research problem but give it another label once it’s working:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect

In this case, Apple’s modern OCR is a complex neural network system which I think most people would class as an AI tool. It’s notably better than traditional approaches which were optimized for business documents.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by iLoveOncall »

I don't understand why they freak out.

Every single time I have used ChatGPT (which isn't many), it gave me an absolutely unusable answer completely off the mark.

It's funny to see FAANG CEOs have FOMO over what is essentially smoke and mirrors.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by psychphysic »

rollcat wrote: post #37
TacticalCoder wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ... i can't wait for them to crash completely. But wouldn't Google, even without search ads (which are only up +4% YOY to $40 bn), still be a hundred of billions behemoth? Sure it wouldn't have a 1.3 trillion cap without search ads but Google is also Android, Chrome, ChromeOS, Google Workspace / Google Suite (which, what, 7 millions of SMEs are using), cloud services, etc. I don't see Google "crashing completely" a…

It feels like 2007 to me again, when Vista was flopping and everyone was announcing the year of Linux on the desktop. It's definitely opening a window of opportunity for a competitor, but that doesn't guarantee anyone's success (or failure).

Didn't even mention YouTube.

Google is so big and diverse it's easy to forget all its major bits.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by iLoveOncall »

kossTKR wrote: post #17

After trying out their adwords platform for a year combined with the fact that search in general has plummeted in quality i can't wait for them to crash completely. Adwords is such a scummy endeavour that squeezes more or less all companies using it, but more so smaller players. They are not a friendly company. They are a MegaCorp that is so monopolistic and dark (design) in its behaviours it's incredible that it's l…

> combined with the fact that search in general has plummeted in quality

Every time this comes up I am baffled. I have not noticed a single drop in the quality of results.

Every time someone said that and shared their search methodology, it became very apparent that the problem was not with Google.

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Post by treeman79 »

jefftk wrote: post #57
wiseowise wrote: post #53

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Forgot YouTube, which literally has no competitors.

What about TikTok? When I visit YouTube now the entire bottom half of the home page is "Shorts".

Tik Tok is slowly being banned. And for good reasons.

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Post by amelius »

funstuff007 wrote: post #73

I would posit that it's more Microsoft freaking out over ChatGPT than Google. MSFT will never get that $10 billion back.

They could get multiples of that $10B back if they sold it to investors now.

Remember, in today's world you don't even need a viable product to make loads of money.

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