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230 years since British pirates robbed the US of the metric system

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Re: 230 years since British pirates robbed the US of the metric system

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As an American I think our measurement system is the best because of its name. Imperial. The fact that the US has dominated while on a totally different is pretty wild

I find it quite strange that the British don't use imperial units anymore.

Eh? Have you seen the mess that is the British measurement system?

Distances are in meters if they are short, miles if they are long, Leeds will be 275 miles away from your gas station that would charge you by the liter so would be most other liquids unless they are milk or beer, then you’ll get a mixtures of metric pipes with inch threads and inch pipes with metric threads, when you buy a property the land would be demarcated in acres, build up area in square feet and priced in meters squared… and when you over eat because of all the stress of having to memorize 1000 different measurement units your doctor would tell you that you gotta drop a few stones…

Re: 230 years since British pirates robbed the US of the metric system

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it quite strange that the British don't use imperial units anymore.

Not strange at all. Working in a metric system is beneficial to our economy, and trading out to the rest of the world. The options are to trade in Imperial measurements with the US, or the entire global economy in Metric. The US can weather that difference given its size both physically and economically

> trade in Imperial measurements with the US

The US doesn't use the Imperial system but it's own customary system. For example, the Imperial pint is about 568 mL, whereas the US customary pint is about 473 mL (liquid pint) or about 551 mL (dry pint). Both are 1/8th of a gallon as defined in each respective system.

(notice how I conveniently included the metric equivalent of both measurements?)

Re: 230 years since British pirates robbed the US of the metric system

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As an American I think our measurement system is the best because of its name. Imperial. The fact that the US has dominated while on a totally different is pretty wild

I find it quite strange that the British don't use imperial units anymore.

Oh they do, in everyday life:

  * Road distances are measured in miles.
  * Drinks are ordered in pints.
  * People measure height in feet/inches and weight in stones.
But yes, pretty much everything else is metric.

Re: 230 years since British pirates robbed the US of the metric system

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Such a long article, repeatedly praising the "simplicity" of the metric system, and it still ignores all possible opposing views. Not a word about the superiority of the duodecimal system when dividing quantities, even though a couple of examples are quoted (12 inches is a foot, 12 pence to the shilling). No effort to explain whyever someone would approach the matter in this way. The author is either extremely biased…

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Re: 230 years since British pirates robbed the US of the metric system

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it quite strange that the British don't use imperial units anymore.

Eh? Have you seen the mess that is the British measurement system? Distances are in meters if they are short, miles if they are long, Leeds will be 275 miles away from your gas station that would charge you by the liter so would be most other liquids unless they are milk or beer, then you’ll get a mixtures of metric pipes with inch threads and inch pipes with metric threads, when you buy a property the land would be…

Things like threads sizes staying imperial makes sense to me.

I believe they are now technically defined in mm, but obviously it's still based on fractions of an inch. In my view, there aren't any truly compelling reasons to switch from BSP to something based on natural metric measures.

On the other hand, if we were to replace these pipe fittings with metric, we'd end up with a mixed system for realistically at least a century, if not a lot longer due to how long pipe systems last. The complexity (and also, in some cases, danger) of having to maintain both systems for so long would be incredible.

It's similar to how in flying, we still use feet/flight levels, and actually a few places have migrated from metric to the more conventional imperial system.

Imperial pipe fittings are pretty common across the entire world, in fact. I think most countries outside of UK/USA use BSP (often by a different name), but NPT is also sometimes used - and even BSP vs NPT is a huge pain.

Re: 230 years since British pirates robbed the US of the metric system

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post #8

Such a long article, repeatedly praising the "simplicity" of the metric system, and it still ignores all possible opposing views. Not a word about the superiority of the duodecimal system when dividing quantities, even though a couple of examples are quoted (12 inches is a foot, 12 pence to the shilling). No effort to explain whyever someone would approach the matter in this way. The author is either extremely biased…

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Ah yes, the global conspiracy to get people to...checks notes...occasionally use a pocket calculator. Very socialist indeed.

A system merely suitable for the human scale will never enable you to reach beyond.

Re: 230 years since British pirates robbed the US of the metric system

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post #8

Such a long article, repeatedly praising the "simplicity" of the metric system, and it still ignores all possible opposing views. Not a word about the superiority of the duodecimal system when dividing quantities, even though a couple of examples are quoted (12 inches is a foot, 12 pence to the shilling). No effort to explain whyever someone would approach the matter in this way. The author is either extremely biased…

It does not bother me, it turns out that having an inconsistent measuring system is not actually that bad. and metric, it turns out has no more purity in it's base units than any other system.

Take the meter, the group setting up the metric system was searching hard for something that was close in size to a yard so they choose 1/10_000_000 the distance from the pole to the equator. nothing wrong with that, but it is not really better than any other arbitrary unit, and with the better defined ways to calculate it(now defined as 1/299792458 of a light second), just as random.

Or celsius, base it on 100 units between the freezing and boiling points of water, not a terrible thing to use, however with the later discovery of absolute zero, they needed a scale that used that, but did not try to redefine the measurement system to include absolute zero, so now you now have this really awkward 273.15... degree difference between the two scales, the nice scale that starts at zero has no other auspicious points to calibrate it at, and the scale with nice points does not start at zero. they could have made their new scale 100 degrees between zero and the freezing point of water, but that would have re jiggered every other derived unit, so understandable that they did not.

Personally I think an si system set up around base twelve would kick ass, what would make it even better would be to replace our base ten number system with a base twelve one, 10 is kind of a poor number in terms of fractions possible. 2 is fine but nobody wants to use 5, things just get awkward when you use 5. nether one is ever going to happen but it is fun to think about our assumptions when it comes to counting and measurement.

Re: 230 years since British pirates robbed the US of the metric system

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post #8

Such a long article, repeatedly praising the "simplicity" of the metric system, and it still ignores all possible opposing views. Not a word about the superiority of the duodecimal system when dividing quantities, even though a couple of examples are quoted (12 inches is a foot, 12 pence to the shilling). No effort to explain whyever someone would approach the matter in this way. The author is either extremely biased…

How many ounces are in a pound?

Re: 230 years since British pirates robbed the US of the metric system

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post #8

Such a long article, repeatedly praising the "simplicity" of the metric system, and it still ignores all possible opposing views. Not a word about the superiority of the duodecimal system when dividing quantities, even though a couple of examples are quoted (12 inches is a foot, 12 pence to the shilling). No effort to explain whyever someone would approach the matter in this way. The author is either extremely biased…

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Romans thought in base 10 (X,C,M) a bit strange to refer to them.

But I would happily adopt a base 12 number system with base 12 units. Let’s say we use X for 10 and Ǝ for 11, 134 would be 1Ǝ, 24 hour clock a 20 (base 12) hour clock

Re: 230 years since British pirates robbed the US of the metric system

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it quite strange that the British don't use imperial units anymore.

Eh? Have you seen the mess that is the British measurement system? Distances are in meters if they are short, miles if they are long, Leeds will be 275 miles away from your gas station that would charge you by the liter so would be most other liquids unless they are milk or beer, then you’ll get a mixtures of metric pipes with inch threads and inch pipes with metric threads, when you buy a property the land would be…

Threads are a strange case, I am convinced US standard threads are better than metric threads. However this is not because US customary units are any better than metric units but because whoever came up with metric threads messed up.

In short after a lot of math it boils down to the fact that US threads are defined as threads per unit. and metric threads are defined as units per thread. "So what" you may say, "6 of one, half dozen of the other", but threads per unit ends up having a lot of common factors and can be cut easily and swiftly on a lathe with a threading dial, and metric threads can't. Here is a youtube video that explains it better than I can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG9XYDCDwWY

If you ever see someone cutting threads on a lathe and they swiftly engage and disengage the power feed without stopping the lathe, they are cutting US threads on a US lathe. If they have to stop and reverse the lathe, they are using a metric lathe. This has an interesting implication on lathe design, metric lathes tend to be able to stop and reverse much faster than US lathes.

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