Maybe AI companies could pay IPR royalties?
AI is in danger of being swallowed up by copyright law
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Re: AI is in danger of being swallowed up by copyright law
#92> If the AI industry is to survive, we need a clear legal rule that neural networks, and the outputs they produce, are not presumed to be copies of the data used to train them. Otherwise, the entire industry will be plagued with lawsuits that will stifle innovation and only enrich plaintiff’s lawyers Or maybe, get this, how about people running AI only feed them information that they legally have the right to use? Ho…
If you publish/present something for consumption, it ends up in their brain's neural network. It's not stealing.
Re: AI is in danger of being swallowed up by copyright law
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But they are compressed lossy copies of all that data So are those you are storing in your mind... (Edit: i.e., "learning is not a violation". Also see below.)
Well, if you copied a famous piece of art from memory... That'd be a copyright violation.
Yeah, I think this is the crux of the issue that people keep glossing over when claiming it's not a true reproduction.
Drawing Coca Cola's logo from memory by hand and slapping it on your product is still copyright infringement, even if it isn't an image Coca Cola has ever produced. In that sense it doesn't matter at all if it's AI or human - the production and subsequent distribution for profit of a copyrighted thing is not allowed, period.
The current set of AIs do exactly this all the time. That's a very clear legal problem.
Re: AI is in danger of being swallowed up by copyright law
#94maybe one country or another will outlaw generative ai or ai art or media synthesis or whatever it ends up being called, but presumably they'll be left behind by rapid cultural and technical development in whatever countries don't the cat is out of the bag, the worms are out of the can, the feathers have blown away in the wind these developments seem very likely to be central to programming, all other kinds of engine…
100%.
Furthermore, if we adopt current copyright laws to AI rather than understand the entire world is changing, only the largest AI companies will be able to leverage the technology to train their models.
If it requires every film in existence to train a model, only Disney or Disney licensors will be able to operate. That's not good for competition. It might make it even harder to grow up as an independent creative or startup as it presents an impenetrable moat.
As I currently see it, weakening copyright is the only way to assure democratic access to this technology.
Re: AI is in danger of being swallowed up by copyright law
#95> If the AI industry is to survive, we need a clear legal rule that neural networks, and the outputs they produce, are not presumed to be copies of the data used to train them. Otherwise, the entire industry will be plagued with lawsuits that will stifle innovation and only enrich plaintiff’s lawyers Or maybe, get this, how about people running AI only feed them information that they legally have the right to use? Ho…
Copyright only governs publishing. So you have the right to train AI with any and all data you have access to, as far as copyright is concerned.
> Copyright only governs publishing. So you have the right to train AI with any and all data you have access to, as far as copyright is concerned.
Sure, but you still just cannot output anything that looks like a derived or copied work.
So, maybe ... how about if image generation nets hold onto the training images so that it can compare the generated output against its training data to ensure that it is not too similar.
/s (but only a little)
Re: AI is in danger of being swallowed up by copyright law
#96This is an incredibly naive article; the author has no real meaningful appreciation of how relatively powerless copyright tends to be in reality when it comes to new technology. Google, Youtube, Facebook -- ANY big tech company whose bread and butter is "your work" all generally get a free pass here -- or more specifically, something like "the market" ends up being the primary driver of activity.
Re: AI is in danger of being swallowed up by copyright law
#97> If the AI industry is to survive, we need a clear legal rule that neural networks, and the outputs they produce, are not presumed to be copies of the data used to train them. Otherwise, the entire industry will be plagued with lawsuits that will stifle innovation and only enrich plaintiff’s lawyers Or maybe, get this, how about people running AI only feed them information that they legally have the right to use? Ho…
Copyright only governs publishing. So you have the right to train AI with any and all data you have access to, as far as copyright is concerned.
Yes but using AI to generate works that can be used commercially is the way commercial AI companies plan to monetize AI.
Re: AI is in danger of being swallowed up by copyright law
#98> If the AI industry is to survive, we need a clear legal rule that neural networks, and the outputs they produce, are not presumed to be copies of the data used to train them. Otherwise, the entire industry will be plagued with lawsuits that will stifle innovation and only enrich plaintiff’s lawyers Or maybe, get this, how about people running AI only feed them information that they legally have the right to use? Ho…
> Or maybe, get this, how about people running AI only feed them information that they legally have the right to use? How is it a bad thing that somebody can't legally steal other peoples' work without their permission because of pesky copyright? On one extreme: "Unless you pay your annual Disney fee for having watched Disney films in early childhood, you will need to return your brain to us for processing. Disney wa…
Very curious that so many people adopted this position exactly when it became feasible for giant corporations to profit by mass producing laundered copyrighted works!
Re: AI is in danger of being swallowed up by copyright law
#99maybe one country or another will outlaw generative ai or ai art or media synthesis or whatever it ends up being called, but presumably they'll be left behind by rapid cultural and technical development in whatever countries don't the cat is out of the bag, the worms are out of the can, the feathers have blown away in the wind these developments seem very likely to be central to programming, all other kinds of engine…
If it really turns out to be a problem then copyright holders are simply going to add in a not-licensed-for-training clause in all their licenses[1].
Sure, existing works already licensed can still be used, but at least both parties (copyright holders and AI trainers) won't have anything to argue about.
[1] Anyone from CC reading this? Make it the default.
Re: AI is in danger of being swallowed up by copyright law
#100> If the AI industry is to survive, we need a clear legal rule that neural networks, and the outputs they produce, are not presumed to be copies of the data used to train them. Otherwise, the entire industry will be plagued with lawsuits that will stifle innovation and only enrich plaintiff’s lawyers Or maybe, get this, how about people running AI only feed them information that they legally have the right to use? Ho…
> how about people running AI only feed them information that they legally have the right to use?
That's what they did!
It was in fair use. So yes, they did have the right to legally train the data on copyrighted images.