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What happened with the substation attack in North Carolina?

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Re: What happened with the substation attack in North Carolina?

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Post by rektide »

rainsford wrote: post #57
thatguy0900 wrote: post #19

I think it's interesting Russia isn't doing more things like this in protest of Ukraine support, whether this was them or not. Realistically, two teams of 5 guys with good opsec training could probably take out any infrastructure they wanted, and do it repeatedly

The problem with this approach for Russia would be that even if the risk of detection was low, the consequences of being caught would be incredibly bad for them. Russian escalation to direct attacks on non-combatant countries would be all the justification necessary for an equivalent retaliatory response from countries with superior military capability. And Russian military presence in Ukraine provides the perfect op…

Also, if the US really did start having to deal with the absurd horseshit Russia has been inflicting on Ukraine via missiles, we'd probably be much more sympathetic to Ukraine.

As far as I know, this is one of the first major armed conflicts where the power grid has been sucha focused target. It's beyond my imagining to think how Ukraine has been coping with this. The article points out how slow & plodding the supply chain is for this kind kf equipment. That's an awful fact of today's economy. America in particular I'd expect to be extra plodding in response.

Re: What happened with the substation attack in North Carolina?

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Post by imtyler »

fckgnad wrote: post #134

I bet part of this is a distraction. Someone needed the power out in order to do some random heist job in NC. So they kill power over a vast area. That way motive is virtually impossible to pinpoint. Likely it's some security thing like some vault that needs constant power. You kill power in some massive way such that the backup generators will run out before everything comes online. Then Boom! pull off your elaborat…

Electromagnetic locks are better suited for gateways that are open by default. I can't imagine why someone would create a vault dependent on electricity.

That being said, I'm sure there are plenty of crimes that would go easier with no power. Perhaps taking down cameras.

Re: What happened with the substation attack in North Carolina?

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Post by [deleted] »

wereallterrrist wrote: post #138
boppo1 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm just very wary of the 'white supremacist terrorism' narrative that politicians and alphabet agencies have been trying to sell lately to justify increases in domestic surveillance/police state infrastructure. And don't get me wrong, I spend plenty of time on 4chan watching this shit, I know there are some truly hateful and dangerous people out there. But It doesn't seem like they're as organized as the narrative w…

>to sell lately to justify increases in domestic surveillance/police state infrastructure. what evidence or even personal narrative do you have to back this assertion? >But It doesn't seem like they're as organized as the narrative would have us believe phew-boy, I don't have any inside knowledge of this because I have other things that keep my attention, but I'm quite sure that there MIGHT be a bit of a infosec/skil…

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Re: What happened with the substation attack in North Carolina?

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Post by fckgnad »

imtyler wrote: post #142
fckgnad wrote: post #134

I bet part of this is a distraction. Someone needed the power out in order to do some random heist job in NC. So they kill power over a vast area. That way motive is virtually impossible to pinpoint. Likely it's some security thing like some vault that needs constant power. You kill power in some massive way such that the backup generators will run out before everything comes online. Then Boom! pull off your elaborat…

Electromagnetic locks are better suited for gateways that are open by default. I can't imagine why someone would create a vault dependent on electricity. That being said, I'm sure there are plenty of crimes that would go easier with no power. Perhaps taking down cameras.

>I can't imagine why someone would create a vault dependent on electricity.

Same reason why people create doorknobs and car locks that depend on electricity. Also this: https://www.protoolreviews.com/lockdown-logic-vault-door-cre...

That being said I'm sure it's a bug. I'm sure whomever made this security thing accounted for power outages. But I'm sure some loop hole appears during that power outage that the builders didn't anticipate.

Also yes, obviously it's some security thing that has to do with power not necessarily a vault door. That was just an example.

Re: What happened with the substation attack in North Carolina?

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Post by freitzkriesler »

Nothing and expect these types of attack to continue.

Our infrastructure was built when America was a homogenous, high trust society. Those days are long gone. The only way to defend against this are concrete barriers surrounding each and every substation .

Re: What happened with the substation attack in North Carolina?

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Post by asveikau »

kcatskcolbdi wrote: post #33
panarky wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding the sabotage in Washington State, it doesn't make a lot of sense to attack four substations simultaneously just to steal from the cash register of a small business. If I fancied myself to be an antigovernment militia leader who had read all the white supremacist literature from the last 40 years that repeatedly describes attacking critical infrastructure like pipelines, telecoms and electricity pylons and s…

Imagine writing this unhinged mental fanfiction for every news article you read. Headline: Man Steals Car "Well, if I fancied myself a racewar enthusiast of course I would _say_ it was for money but it would obviously be in support of creating chaos and undermining the government institutions to allow for our brothers to rise against".

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Re: What happened with the substation attack in North Carolina?

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Post by geepound »

marak830 wrote: post #140
geepound wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>things are still running running from the radiation released from the shelling of nuke plants, not running in the "performing normally" sense "Radiation levels increased about 20-fold on Thursday" https://web.archive.org/web/20220225165134/https://www.bbc.c...

"The rise was caused by heavy military vehicles stirring contaminated soil in the 4,000-sq-km (2,485 sq-mile) exclusion zone surrounding the abandoned plant, Ukraine's State Nuclear Regulatory Inspectorate reported ." Seems it was not from the shelling.

>Seems it was not from the shelling.

We think you're missing the larger point

Re: What happened with the substation attack in North Carolina?

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Post by knowaveragejoe »

JasonFruit wrote: post #4

I'm much more interested in the motivations of the people involved.

It's far-right accelerationism. There are those who think "the west has fallen" and the only thing to do now is hasten the collapse of that society so they can build a new one(where they think they'll be on top, for some reason). Google "boogaloo boys" for threads to pull on if you want to learn more.

Re: What happened with the substation attack in North Carolina?

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Post by [deleted] »

fckgnad wrote: post #144
imtyler wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electromagnetic locks are better suited for gateways that are open by default. I can't imagine why someone would create a vault dependent on electricity. That being said, I'm sure there are plenty of crimes that would go easier with no power. Perhaps taking down cameras.

>I can't imagine why someone would create a vault dependent on electricity. Same reason why people create doorknobs and car locks that depend on electricity. Also this: https://www.protoolreviews.com/lockdown-logic-vault-door-cre... That being said I'm sure it's a bug. I'm sure whomever made this security thing accounted for power outages. But I'm sure some loop hole appears during that power outage that the builders…

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