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> It's easier to attack than defend Interestingly, I'd wager that very little infrastructure in developed countries was designed with any thought of defending it from it's own citizens.
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What happened with the substation attack in North Carolina?
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#134I bet part of this is a distraction. Someone needed the power out in order to do some random heist job in NC. So they kill power over a vast area. That way motive is virtually impossible to pinpoint.
Likely it's some security thing like some vault that needs constant power. You kill power in some massive way such that the backup generators will run out before everything comes online. Then Boom! pull off your elaborate heist to the tune of (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1lWoA2tgxQ) and walk away like nothing happened.
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#135The video inspired me to explore the open source grid map at atlas.eia.gov, but it sure looks like the online map was locked down. Despite the sidebar saying the map is visible to the public, the maps never load and I'm seeing access denied errors for map resources in the console. There could be multiple explanations for the map to stop loading, but the error messages sure give me the impression that it was to restri…
Couldn't it just be the internet hug of death?
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They knew enough to shoot a part that is filled with fluid and hard to replace. They might have lacked the knowledge of "the grid" to make such an attack go beyond one county, but there was some degree of thought put into that attack. It's easier to attack than defend.
> shoot a part that is filled with fluid and hard to replace One fairly simple defense is to set up an opaque wall around it, so if they are outside the perimeter fence they cannot see the target.
A cheap drone with a pipe bomb solves that.
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Things are breaking down everyday, and there is a large army of ants scurrying about keeping the lights on with shoe strings and bubble gum. Russia has been bombing Ukraine infra from Oct, used thousands of missiles and things are still running - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%932023_Russian_st... .
>things are still running running from the radiation released from the shelling of nuke plants, not running in the "performing normally" sense "Radiation levels increased about 20-fold on Thursday" https://web.archive.org/web/20220225165134/https://www.bbc.c...
Yikes. That’s what we need, a key European breadbasket country poisoned to hell in a needless war.
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I'm just very wary of the 'white supremacist terrorism' narrative that politicians and alphabet agencies have been trying to sell lately to justify increases in domestic surveillance/police state infrastructure. And don't get me wrong, I spend plenty of time on 4chan watching this shit, I know there are some truly hateful and dangerous people out there. But It doesn't seem like they're as organized as the narrative w…
>to sell lately to justify increases in domestic surveillance/police state infrastructure.
what evidence or even personal narrative do you have to back this assertion?
>But It doesn't seem like they're as organized as the narrative would have us believe
phew-boy, I don't have any inside knowledge of this because I have other things that keep my attention, but I'm quite sure that there MIGHT be a bit of a infosec/skill gap between the chuds posting on /b/ and the folks actually rolling out with assault rifles, knowledge, and intent to knock (a) power substation(s) offline.
There's all this incredulity in this thread but really, some dudes are gonna go knock out an entire power substation to rob a cash register? If I were one for Occam's Razer...
Frankly I really, really don't get this incredulity. We have numerous, fairly recent historical (in multiple senses of the word!) incidents that clearly point to both organized and unorganized groups of people who seem to fit a certain psychological profile of being motivated by fear and disgust and a very on-going, observable ability to be whipped into a violent frenzy when told its justified.
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
They knew enough to shoot a part that is filled with fluid and hard to replace. They might have lacked the knowledge of "the grid" to make such an attack go beyond one county, but there was some degree of thought put into that attack. It's easier to attack than defend.
I think it probably doesn't take an electrical engineer to figure out that destroying the radiators would put the substation out of action at least temporarily, but it does show they put a bit of thought into it at least. It doesn't seem like a case of a dumbass using the substation for target practice on a whim, it all seems very deliberate and purposeful.
The damage could have been much more difficult to repair.
"If the windings within the transformer itself were damaged, it would probably require replacement of the equipment. Transformers of this scale are rarely manufactured without an order, which means we don’t have a lot of spares sitting around, and the lead time can be months or years to get a new one delivered, let alone installed."
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
Things are breaking down everyday, and there is a large army of ants scurrying about keeping the lights on with shoe strings and bubble gum. Russia has been bombing Ukraine infra from Oct, used thousands of missiles and things are still running - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%932023_Russian_st... .
>things are still running running from the radiation released from the shelling of nuke plants, not running in the "performing normally" sense "Radiation levels increased about 20-fold on Thursday" https://web.archive.org/web/20220225165134/https://www.bbc.c...
"The rise was caused by heavy military vehicles stirring contaminated soil in the 4,000-sq-km (2,485 sq-mile) exclusion zone surrounding the abandoned plant, Ukraine's State Nuclear Regulatory Inspectorate reported ."
Seems it was not from the shelling.