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‘Assassinated in cold blood’: activist killed protesting Georgia’s ‘Cop City’

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Re: ‘Assassinated in cold blood’: activist killed protesting Georgia’s ‘Cop City’

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Post by Quillbert182 »

FiloSottile wrote: post #8
Quillbert182 wrote: post #4

Teran shot a state trooper immediately before he was shot. I'd say his shooting was justified.

Are you basing that assessment on any specific evidence? This article claim there is no video of the incident. Law enforcement in the US (and many other countries, including others where environmental protesters are often killed) has been know and documented to lie routinely, so is not a reliable source to take on face value.

https://gbi.georgia.gov/press-releases/2023-01-20/gbi-invest...

A bullet from his gun was found in the state trooper's abdomen, and I find it extremely hard to believe that Teran shot a state trooper after being shot multiple times, especially given cops' tendencies to shoot until a target stops moving.

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Post by gruez »

Title: ‘Assassinated in cold blood’: activist killed protesting Georgia’s ‘Cop City’

Reality: Activist was "protesting" (ie. camping out) at the future site of a police training facility, cops arrived to kick them out, and there was a shoot-out that resulted in the activist being shot dead and a cop being injured.

I'm not sure how the title got past the editors, considering how misleading it is. It's technically true that the "assassinated in cold blood" part was a quote, but presenting it at face value, when there's little evidence of wrongdoing by the cops is wholly irresponsible for a seemingly reputable publication like the guardian. A much better headline would be "activist killed in shootout with police", or even "‘Assassinated in cold blood’, Mother claims: activist killed protesting Georgia’s ‘Cop City’"

Also, I noticed the article was also exceedingly skeptical about the state's version of events:

>Officials say Manuel shot first at a state trooper “without warning” and an officer or officers returned fire, but they have produced no evidence for the claim. The trooper was described as stable and in hospital Thursday.

but the press release have since provided additional details to support the state's version of events

>Forensic ballistic analysis has confirmed that the projectile recovered from the trooper’s wound matches Teran’s handgun.

But I'll let that slide given that the update came on January 20th, and the article was published early January 21th at 5am.

Re: ‘Assassinated in cold blood’: activist killed protesting Georgia’s ‘Cop City’

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Post by Quillbert182 »

kcplate wrote: post #10
jimmygrapes wrote: post #2

From the other side of the story: https://gbi.georgia.gov/press-releases/2023-01-20/gbi-invest... >UPDATE > > Atlanta, GA (January 20, 2023) – We are releasing a photo of the handgun that was in Manuel Esteban Paez Teran’s possession when a Georgia State Patrol trooper was shot on January 18 at the site of the future Atlanta Public Safety Training Center. The handgun is described as a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm. F…

I basically stopped reading the original article here: >>Officials say Manuel shot first at a state trooper “without warning” and an officer or officers returned fire, but they have produced no evidence for the claim. Except of course…for the trooper with the bullet wound in the hospital that is communicated in the very next sentence… >>The trooper was described as stable and in hospital Thursday. How does this story…

It gets past an editor when the editor has an agenda.

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Post by woodruffw »

kcplate wrote: post #10
jimmygrapes wrote: post #2

From the other side of the story: https://gbi.georgia.gov/press-releases/2023-01-20/gbi-invest... >UPDATE > > Atlanta, GA (January 20, 2023) – We are releasing a photo of the handgun that was in Manuel Esteban Paez Teran’s possession when a Georgia State Patrol trooper was shot on January 18 at the site of the future Atlanta Public Safety Training Center. The handgun is described as a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm. F…

I basically stopped reading the original article here: >>Officials say Manuel shot first at a state trooper “without warning” and an officer or officers returned fire, but they have produced no evidence for the claim. Except of course…for the trooper with the bullet wound in the hospital that is communicated in the very next sentence… >>The trooper was described as stable and in hospital Thursday. How does this story…

A bullet doesn't guarantee your chronology. The article's factual basis is correct: the police claim he fired first, and an officer was shot, but we lack the bodycam footage to actually verify the chronology.

Re: ‘Assassinated in cold blood’: activist killed protesting Georgia’s ‘Cop City’

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Post by acobster »

Quillbert182 wrote: post #11
FiloSottile wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you basing that assessment on any specific evidence? This article claim there is no video of the incident. Law enforcement in the US (and many other countries, including others where environmental protesters are often killed) has been know and documented to lie routinely, so is not a reliable source to take on face value.

https://gbi.georgia.gov/press-releases/2023-01-20/gbi-invest... A bullet from his gun was found in the state trooper's abdomen, and I find it extremely hard to believe that Teran shot a state trooper after being shot multiple times, especially given cops' tendencies to shoot until a target stops moving.

That still doesn't mean he shot first.

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Post by sokoloff »

woodruffw wrote: post #5
jimmygrapes wrote: post #2

From the other side of the story: https://gbi.georgia.gov/press-releases/2023-01-20/gbi-invest... >UPDATE > > Atlanta, GA (January 20, 2023) – We are releasing a photo of the handgun that was in Manuel Esteban Paez Teran’s possession when a Georgia State Patrol trooper was shot on January 18 at the site of the future Atlanta Public Safety Training Center. The handgun is described as a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm. F…

This doesn't materially conflict the statement in the article, which links to that press release: the police have provided no evidence that the victim short first. As TFA points out, there is conveniently no police bodycam footage.

Ballistics evidence and likely residue on the hands of the deceased will almost surely support the thesis that he shot at the cops. If you point a gun at a cop, it’s not surprising that you get shot by them. (There’s no legal obligation for the police to shoot second.)

Re: ‘Assassinated in cold blood’: activist killed protesting Georgia’s ‘Cop City’

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Post by xyzzyz »

gruez wrote: post #12

Title: ‘Assassinated in cold blood’: activist killed protesting Georgia’s ‘Cop City’ Reality: Activist was "protesting" (ie. camping out) at the future site of a police training facility, cops arrived to kick them out, and there was a shoot-out that resulted in the activist being shot dead and a cop being injured. I'm not sure how the title got past the editors, considering how misleading it is. It's technically true…

> I'm not sure how the title got past the editors, considering how misleading it is.

The editors of The Guardian want their readers misled. This is very deliberate. Everything the article says will be true if taken literally, except the quotes of interviewed people, which will often be lies. The crucial facts to understanding what happened will be either completely omitted (omission of facts is not a falsehood), or delegated to second half of of the article, and even then, it will typically be in vague, unclear terms. This is how media operates today, and it shouldn’t be surprising that the trust in media is collapsing across the board.

Re: ‘Assassinated in cold blood’: activist killed protesting Georgia’s ‘Cop City’

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Post by Quillbert182 »

acobster wrote: post #16
Quillbert182 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://gbi.georgia.gov/press-releases/2023-01-20/gbi-invest... A bullet from his gun was found in the state trooper's abdomen, and I find it extremely hard to believe that Teran shot a state trooper after being shot multiple times, especially given cops' tendencies to shoot until a target stops moving.

That still doesn't mean he shot first.

If the police shot first, he would be dead before he shot the officer.
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