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Re: 🥺: the best sudo replacement

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

doodlesdev wrote: post #167
NotYourLawyer wrote: post #114

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Normally this is just tangentially related and not for Hacker News but I feel this time it needs a bit of attention. My brain melted in the first minutes trying to read this article. I honestly just couldn't. It feels like I'm reading a mentally ill extremelly schizophrenic write-up on the recent sudo vulnerabilities, makes me lose sanity. Has anyone actually managed to read this? How is this on the front page? (Not…

Yes, I read it and enjoyed it. Clearly it didn't work for you, and that's okay.

Re: 🥺: the best sudo replacement

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Post by zerocrates »

dwaite wrote: post #125
dhosek wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a poem that I published which has a Japanese title (宝石の十字架). The journal that published it put that in the URL: https://www.invisiblecitylit.com/poetry/宝石の十字架/ and not surprisingly, many URL parsers don’t like the Japanese text.¹ I really need to get around to changing the link that I have in my publications list to use the URL encoded version of the title so that it's easier to share on systems that don’t lik…

Ahh, that is because that isn't a valid URI - it is an IRI. The space of IRI implementations is quite sparse, mostly limited to browsers (and often rather spotty within the browsers as well). So a page hyperlink or paste into a browser bar will turn it into a URI behind the scenes, but it is unlikely another program or script will handle them. In fact, I believe WHATWG defines that hyperlinks are URI, not IRI - so th…

Beyond the usual ASCII stuff, the standard allows you to have all nonsurrogate characters between U+00A0 and U+10FFFD in the path of a URL within HTML. The standard has browsers internally percent-encode them. It's also dumped the IRI/URI terminology and just uses URL.

Re: 🥺: the best sudo replacement

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Post by Spivak »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #89

> They wrote the program in C They wrote it in 1980 for unix; what exactly would you like them to have used? > (as far as I can tell) have no intention of rewriting it in Rust Since it will be less than a paragraph before you start ranting about how "obscure targets that nobody uses won't be able to leech off of the rest of the ecosystem by holding back any chance to let us have a modicum of nice things", I trust you…

Because the entire value-prop of sudo is ubiquity and mindshare. There are as many replacements for sudo as there are Rust developers. Any one of them is probably fine.

The hard part is solving the coordination problem among millions of humans to just pick one and standardize on it. All that work is eliminated in an instant if you just convince the sudo maintainers to bless and ship one.

Re: 🥺: the best sudo replacement

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Post by hot_gril »

SLWW wrote: post #336
hot_gril wrote: post #103

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Heh. I get what you're saying, but I feel that vibe much more from Golang than from Rust. Rust seems down to earth.

I do think it's funny how this is the only comment in the thread that isn't greyed out. I wonder if there would be a way to lose the 'value' of a downvote if the account in question predominantly downvotes a specific opinion too much (a form of abuse i think). The assumption being that, "ok, you downvoted three posts, that were all very incendiary; though the other 40+ you've downvoted were all that way, statically t…

Guess I haven't been on enough HN Rust threads yet. My assessment of Rust's vibe comes just from reading the docs and online help when I was using it in a project years ago. It feels like C where they're just trying to get stuff done. I don't have strong opinions on Rust or Golang, and I don't use either one regularly. In that project, I ended up doing most of my work in some FFI'd C code.

I do judge language communities based on the code reviewers at work. Python and Java people are chill, C++ people are obsessive, and Golang people are obsessed with not using C++. N/A for Rust or NodeJS.

Re: 🥺: the best sudo replacement

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Post by bee_rider »

SLWW wrote: post #336
hot_gril wrote: post #103

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Heh. I get what you're saying, but I feel that vibe much more from Golang than from Rust. Rust seems down to earth.

I do think it's funny how this is the only comment in the thread that isn't greyed out. I wonder if there would be a way to lose the 'value' of a downvote if the account in question predominantly downvotes a specific opinion too much (a form of abuse i think). The assumption being that, "ok, you downvoted three posts, that were all very incendiary; though the other 40+ you've downvoted were all that way, statically t…

IMO there’s a widespread belief that these upvote/downvote systems are fundamentally stupid, which is actually true, but I think it also holds back the implementations a bit.

I’d love to see for example a site that treats them as endorcements or something. The logic could be something like: keep track of the graph of who upvotes what. When you upvote somebody, you reinforce the link between the two of you. Then, when showing posts, rather than just using the raw scores, measure the weight of the edges connecting two users or something like that.

Also have a button that, if you see a post you don’t like, shows you the edges connecting you to it so you can re-evaluate them and cut some.

Or something like that. I’m sure this is open to abuse. But the idea would be that you aren’t just generating like a gamified “high score” for comments, but trying to build a collection of people that you find or are likely to find interesting. It might even help reduce abuse of the voting system, in that people playing “let’s all upvote each other” games will just become an isolated clique, maybe?

Re: 🥺: the best sudo replacement

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Post by devnullbrain »

viewtransform wrote: post #340
Waterluvian wrote: post #163

“ has no pronounceable name in English or any other speakable human language.” I’m in love with this because it’s so silly. I’ve always wondered what would happen if you gave a company an unpronounceable name and it took off. My guess is that the community would name it and that would be that. But I’m fascinated to witness that process happen. I really hope Sado takes off. ;)

They could name it Ƭ̵̬̊ and people would call it Prince.

Some others:

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Re: 🥺: the best sudo replacement

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Post by hot_gril »

bee_rider wrote: post #355
SLWW wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do think it's funny how this is the only comment in the thread that isn't greyed out. I wonder if there would be a way to lose the 'value' of a downvote if the account in question predominantly downvotes a specific opinion too much (a form of abuse i think). The assumption being that, "ok, you downvoted three posts, that were all very incendiary; though the other 40+ you've downvoted were all that way, statically t…

IMO there’s a widespread belief that these upvote/downvote systems are fundamentally stupid, which is actually true, but I think it also holds back the implementations a bit. I’d love to see for example a site that treats them as endorcements or something. The logic could be something like: keep track of the graph of who upvotes what. When you upvote somebody, you reinforce the link between the two of you. Then, when…

There is pagerank, which is still easy to game when accounts are free. I like HN's system well enough, mainly cause it doesn't show comment scores except your own. It's not like the toxicity-inducing thing on Reddit.

I also made my own social network for links where "liking" something = reposting it, and you only see stuff posted/reposted from people you directly follow. There's no globally popular stuff. Not comparable to HN, though.

Re: 🥺: the best sudo replacement

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

dang wrote: post #297
chungy wrote: post #109

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Well, now we're gonna get nitpicky :) Unicode is plain text, therefore emoji are in the set qualified as "plain text." "ASCII text" may be more accurate.

ASCII text would be less accurate I'm afraid. I'm open to suggestions!

I'd say your first description, "text-obsessive", was the most accurate.

"Plain text" is a technical term, which generally means raw unicode (or some other character encoding) without additional markup. Emojis are unicode, and can exist in plain text files.

"Text" does not necessarily mean unicode, nor any type of character encoding. The books on my bookshelf are filled with text. If any of those books contain emoji, I would consider the emoji to be an illustration, not text.

(This is a silly discussion but also the sort of thing I have fun thinking about.)

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