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Re: Tweetbot. April 2011 – January 2023

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Post by throwaway092345 »

jjulius wrote: post #165
throwaway092345 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the point at all. Regarding the personal attack - is Zuckerberg also a "bizarre, fragile, little man" since Instagram doesn't allow 3rd party clients? Regarding the validity of this move by Twitter - a private company is making changes which they believe are in line with their business goals. Who cares? Why get so riled up about it?

>... a private company is making changes which they believe are in line with their business goals. Who cares? Why get so riled up about it? Someone you don't know doesn't like a move that a private company made, or it's CEO. Who cares? Why get so riled up about it?

So we are in agreement about the OP, glad we found some common ground :)

Re: Tweetbot. April 2011 – January 2023

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Post by linuxftw »

jdoss wrote: post #6

The question I have with this move is why didn't Twitter just force advertising as part of their API for third party clients? Just change the TOS for using the API so if they didn't show advertising they would be cut off. What am I missing?

How could they actually enforce that? That'd need to review every app, constantly.

Re: Tweetbot. April 2011 – January 2023

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Post by masklinn »

kemayo wrote: post #179
masklinn wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and can have premium subscription features prominently featured. The former could have been rolled into the API, but the latter would have been basically impossible. Not so, clients have exclusive keys (whose supply has been highly restricted since they were introduced a few years ago, making gaining any sort of grounds with new clients a challenge). Twitter could have made the validity of these certs / keys condit…

Oh, I didn't mean letting the clients support them, I meant making the clients support them and feature them how Twitter wanted them to. E.g. if they wanted to change the notifications defaults everywhere to showing the "verified" notifications first, as a way to promote sales of Twitter Blue... good luck getting the third party clients to go along with that without some serious coercive micromanagement.

> Oh, I didn't mean letting the clients support them, I meant making the clients support them and feature them how Twitter wanted them to.

So did I.

No feature no key, no key no third party client.

Re: Tweetbot. April 2011 – January 2023

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Post by dylan604 »

graublau wrote: post #159
blowski wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not like people didn’t speak out for the moderators or employees, just that Musk didn’t listen. If you’re looking for Nazi Germany analogies, perhaps Blitzkrieg is better - quickly destroying its entire userbase.

ITT comparing 3rd party api limits to nazi germany

what does the International Telephone & Telegraph company have to do with this thread?

Re: Tweetbot. April 2011 – January 2023

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Post by vlachen »

shadowgovt wrote: post #143
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where will she jump to?

That is the challenge. Musk's tantrum has made an already-solved problem for a lot of people something they now have to re-solve. I'm generally recommending Mastodon to people (and can recommend a handful of specific nodes), but nothing auto-replaces Twitter. Point is, unfortunately, Twitter's dying and its prognosis is poor. We can imagine it'll get better but the realistic strategy is to bail. (My previous post lac…

I would take those node recommendations. I've dipped my toes in, but don't have the wherewithal right now to really figure out how to find what's worth following.

Re: Tweetbot. April 2011 – January 2023

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Post by MBCook »

riley_dog wrote: post #172
barnabee wrote: post #47

I don't think they realise the damage this change has done. I have been on board with or ambivalent about most of the changes. I don't care if there's less moderation, I think Twitter probably did have too many employees, and I like the idea of a paid account with fewer (preferably no) ads. I'd even have happily paid Twitter to continue using Tweetbot. But this has destroyed the trust and the user experience of many…

> I don't think Mastodon is a good replacement for Twitter at all, but I am going to have to try it. What exactly leads you to believe it's not a good replacement, especially considering you haven't tried it?

My only issue with Mastodon is the network effect.

There are many accounts I follow on Twitter, relatively popular accounts not friends with 5 followers, that aren’t on Mastodon.

So I’m missing a bunch of what I had. I found new things too, which is great. But it’s still never going to be a 1:1 replacement.

Re: Tweetbot. April 2011 – January 2023

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Post by kemayo »

masklinn wrote: post #205
kemayo wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, I didn't mean letting the clients support them, I meant making the clients support them and feature them how Twitter wanted them to. E.g. if they wanted to change the notifications defaults everywhere to showing the "verified" notifications first, as a way to promote sales of Twitter Blue... good luck getting the third party clients to go along with that without some serious coercive micromanagement.

> Oh, I didn't mean letting the clients support them, I meant making the clients support them and feature them how Twitter wanted them to. So did I. No feature no key, no key no third party client.

Sorry, I misinterpreted you -- I thought you were talking about gating features to specific clients. :D

Re: Tweetbot. April 2011 – January 2023

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Post by rurp »

hiidrew wrote: post #77
jmann99999 wrote: post #31

I just don't see the replacement for Twitter as Mastodon -- which it seems the Tweetbot people are targeting. Twitter will likely file for bankruptcy later this year due to the debt burden. However, the replacement for Twitter won't be a Twitter "clone." Things will move on. I'm not smart enough to know what people will move on to... But they will move on.

I wonder what happens after that? 40B acquisition to bankruptcy sounds brutal. I'm sure there's some nuanced financial way they can recover and continue but wow.

Elon almost certainly has enough money to keep funding Twitter until he gets bored with it and moves onto something else; which, granted, might not even take a year. It's hard to say what happense at that point but my guess is that he sells it for a fraction of the purchase price. Twitter has a big enough network that there will be something left in the wreckage that someone can try to rebuild from.

Bankruptcy could still happen of course, even if Elon still has the money. He might think that completely shutting down Twitter is less embarrasing than selling it for a 90% loss, Elon is still pretending to be a business genius after all.

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