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Re: Why I Hate Android

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Post by ekianjo » Tue, Jan 10, 2012, 5:41 AM UTC

ubernostrum wrote: post #14

untog wrote: post #9

One of his major issues seems to be Google not coming through on the topic of net neutrality, and that his overall opinion of Android is coloured by this. But an honest genuine question (I don't know the answer)- what did Apple do to further net neutrality? It seems like MG expected a lot of Google, and Google let him down. But what did he expect of Apple, and did they deliver? Because last time I looked Apple were c…

I think it's extremely unhelpful, in these discussions, to resort to "well Apple does bad things too, so how can you prefer Apple?" Ultimately I think the point the article's getting at here is that Apple's at least been relatively honest in their marketing; they never delivered an open stack based around principles of software freedom, but they also never promised us they would. Google did promise that; they promise…

So, to use a metaphor. Let's say you have two people: - one criminal who steals most of the time to earn a living but does not claim to do otherwise. - one person with high moral standards, who, once in his life, resorts to stealing because he had to in a set of specific circumstances.

...it is ok to prefer the criminal just on the ground that he is faithful to himself rather than the person with high moral standards, because that one failed to keep to their ideals ?

That's a extremely contrived sense of reality.

Sorry, but even if Google do compromise in many ways lately, they are STILL more of a champion of Net Neutrality than Apple has ever been.

Re: Why I Hate Android

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Post by Slimy » Tue, Jan 10, 2012, 5:41 AM UTC

Summary: MG says he doesn't give Android a fair chance when he compares it to the iPhone not because he loves Apple but because he hates Google.

Re: Why I Hate Android

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Post by ubernostrum » Tue, Jan 10, 2012, 5:43 AM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #21

ubernostrum wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's extremely unhelpful, in these discussions, to resort to "well Apple does bad things too, so how can you prefer Apple?" Ultimately I think the point the article's getting at here is that Apple's at least been relatively honest in their marketing; they never delivered an open stack based around principles of software freedom, but they also never promised us they would. Google did promise that; they promise…

So, to use a metaphor. Let's say you have two people: - one criminal who steals most of the time to earn a living but does not claim to do otherwise. - one person with high moral standards, who, once in his life, resorts to stealing because he had to in a set of specific circumstances. ...it is ok to prefer the criminal just on the ground that he is faithful to himself rather than the person with high moral standards…

That's a extremely contrived sense of reality.

That's an extremely contrived metaphor that doesn't really fit the situation at all, and doesn't help attempts to discuss it.

Re: Why I Hate Android

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Post by untog » Tue, Jan 10, 2012, 5:49 AM UTC

ubernostrum wrote: post #14

untog wrote: post #9

One of his major issues seems to be Google not coming through on the topic of net neutrality, and that his overall opinion of Android is coloured by this. But an honest genuine question (I don't know the answer)- what did Apple do to further net neutrality? It seems like MG expected a lot of Google, and Google let him down. But what did he expect of Apple, and did they deliver? Because last time I looked Apple were c…

I think it's extremely unhelpful, in these discussions, to resort to "well Apple does bad things too, so how can you prefer Apple?" Ultimately I think the point the article's getting at here is that Apple's at least been relatively honest in their marketing; they never delivered an open stack based around principles of software freedom, but they also never promised us they would. Google did promise that; they promise…

I think it's extremely unhelpful, in these discussions, to resort to "well Apple does bad things too, so how can you prefer Apple?"

I was aware when I posted my comment that it might feed into the Android-iPhone flamewars, but I didn't intend it to. It's more specifically that MG is such an Apple fan.

Personally, I prefer an organisation with high aims- that it is unable to reach because of business reality- to an organisation that never even aspired in the first place.

Re: Why I Hate Android

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Post by tariqk » Tue, Jan 10, 2012, 5:50 AM UTC

I saw this on my feed, opened the tab on the background, saw it was from MG Siegler, closed the tab.

I don't deny he doesn't have some genuine insight. I just find that the amount of work I have to do to sift past his bias is so draining that I prefer to outsource it to people who _can_ tolerate his... foibles (read: bullshit).

Re: Why I Hate Android

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Post by Cadsby » Tue, Jan 10, 2012, 5:52 AM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #21

ubernostrum wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's extremely unhelpful, in these discussions, to resort to "well Apple does bad things too, so how can you prefer Apple?" Ultimately I think the point the article's getting at here is that Apple's at least been relatively honest in their marketing; they never delivered an open stack based around principles of software freedom, but they also never promised us they would. Google did promise that; they promise…

So, to use a metaphor. Let's say you have two people: - one criminal who steals most of the time to earn a living but does not claim to do otherwise. - one person with high moral standards, who, once in his life, resorts to stealing because he had to in a set of specific circumstances. ...it is ok to prefer the criminal just on the ground that he is faithful to himself rather than the person with high moral standards…

I wanted Google to be a champion of Net Neutrality, like they originally were. Period. Not just better than Apple.

Re: Why I Hate Android

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Post by Cadsby » Tue, Jan 10, 2012, 5:54 AM UTC

loso wrote: post #6

A bigger question arises. Since we now know that his Android feelings comes from hatred of Google and their policies, how do we trust his opinion on the actual devices? I guess him not being a full time staffer at techcrunch anymore helps with that. But what about past reviews from when he was?

"Trust" doesn't, and should never, enter into the equation in matters such as these.

Re: Why I Hate Android

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Post by ekianjo » Tue, Jan 10, 2012, 6:02 AM UTC

Cadsby wrote: post #26

ekianjo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, to use a metaphor. Let's say you have two people: - one criminal who steals most of the time to earn a living but does not claim to do otherwise. - one person with high moral standards, who, once in his life, resorts to stealing because he had to in a set of specific circumstances. ...it is ok to prefer the criminal just on the ground that he is faithful to himself rather than the person with high moral standards…

I wanted Google to be a champion of Net Neutrality, like they originally were. Period. Not just better than Apple.

Ok. So why is there any comparison to Apple in the first place, since this is a debate about achieving ideals of Net Neutrality ?

Re: Why I Hate Android

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Post by Cadsby » Tue, Jan 10, 2012, 6:04 AM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #28

Cadsby wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wanted Google to be a champion of Net Neutrality, like they originally were. Period. Not just better than Apple.

Ok. So why is there any comparison to Apple in the first place, since this is a debate about achieving ideals of Net Neutrality ?

Because you were the one who made the comparison in your previous comment, which I was responding to.

Re: Why I Hate Android

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Post by nknight » Tue, Jan 10, 2012, 6:09 AM UTC

Cadsby wrote: post #29

ekianjo wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok. So why is there any comparison to Apple in the first place, since this is a debate about achieving ideals of Net Neutrality ?

Because you were the one who made the comparison in your previous comment, which I was responding to.

MG Siegler is the one that brought up net neutrality in comparing Google to Apple. If you have a problem with the comparison, talk to the guy whose article these comments are referencing.