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I've procrastinated working on my thesis for more than a year

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Re: I've procrastinated working on my thesis for more than a year

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If you're not just making slow progress but literally unable to make a single bit of progress, my goto strategy is similar to what writers call a vomit draft. For writing it conventionally means means writing words without stopping to plan or edit, no corrections allowed, the rule is you just have to keep typing, no matter what. It's about something being better than nothing, creating momentum, and also avoids being…

This is going to sound ridiculous but I’m serious: if you can’t even type a whole bunch of stuff, type just a basic (terrible) outline and then feed it to chatgpt to expand on.

The output will be laughably bad, most likely, but you’ll know why it’s bad and you can fix the obvious mistakes and then go from there.

Re: I've procrastinated working on my thesis for more than a year

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> At this point I'm seriously considering quitting. I just don't have what it takes to earn this degree. I'm sure you do have what it takes. But theres a difference between having something and using it. I have what it takes to learn Japanese. Am I gonna learn Japanese? No. Because as much as it sounds like a nice idea, there's other things I'd rather do with my time. I want it, but not nearly enough to do it. (altho…

This very might well be their one thing already... but the risk of failing your "one thing" is so paralysing because then who are you without that?

In that regard the second part is good advice: "diversifying the portfolio of who you are as a person". It might not help finish the thesis, but will help life feel more whole if they don't.

Re: I've procrastinated working on my thesis for more than a year

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If you're not just making slow progress but literally unable to make a single bit of progress, my goto strategy is similar to what writers call a vomit draft. For writing it conventionally means means writing words without stopping to plan or edit, no corrections allowed, the rule is you just have to keep typing, no matter what. It's about something being better than nothing, creating momentum, and also avoids being…

This is going to sound ridiculous but I’m serious: if you can’t even type a whole bunch of stuff, type just a basic (terrible) outline and then feed it to chatgpt to expand on. The output will be laughably bad, most likely, but you’ll know why it’s bad and you can fix the obvious mistakes and then go from there.

I was going to make this comment but you made it for me

Re: I've procrastinated working on my thesis for more than a year

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If you're not just making slow progress but literally unable to make a single bit of progress, my goto strategy is similar to what writers call a vomit draft. For writing it conventionally means means writing words without stopping to plan or edit, no corrections allowed, the rule is you just have to keep typing, no matter what. It's about something being better than nothing, creating momentum, and also avoids being…

That's what I did as well.

The problem often is fighting the urge to correct things. For me the only thing that helped was sleep deprivation, but probably alcohol has a similar effect.

Re: I've procrastinated working on my thesis for more than a year

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post #2

If you're not just making slow progress but literally unable to make a single bit of progress, my goto strategy is similar to what writers call a vomit draft. For writing it conventionally means means writing words without stopping to plan or edit, no corrections allowed, the rule is you just have to keep typing, no matter what. It's about something being better than nothing, creating momentum, and also avoids being…

For this, I highly recommend The Most Dangerous Writing App: https://www.squibler.io/dangerous-writing-prompt-app

It deletes all your work if you don't keep typing. Good motivator.

Re: I've procrastinated working on my thesis for more than a year

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If you're not just making slow progress but literally unable to make a single bit of progress, my goto strategy is similar to what writers call a vomit draft. For writing it conventionally means means writing words without stopping to plan or edit, no corrections allowed, the rule is you just have to keep typing, no matter what. It's about something being better than nothing, creating momentum, and also avoids being…

DO THIS. I have a friend that was doing a PhD and procrastinated and they kick him out after the ten year time limit. True they gave him an MA for his work, but still that was ten years of his life wasted stressing out about procrastinating about not doing his PhD, that could have been spent at the beach with a martini and a girl in a bikini.

> that could have been spent at the beach

As a procrastinator myself, this is actually a self-poisoning attitude that I've worked on removing, in the spirit of being kind to myself. (Procrastination tends to get worse when you have self-hate spirals.)

It's so easy to look back on wasted hours and think "I could have been doing anything better than that." I use to have days at work where I didn't accomplish much, and say to myself "I'm a horrible father because I could have spent today with my kids."

It's true that procrastination eats away hours of our lives, but there's no reality where most of us would have been able to say "I know I'll procrastinate the next three days, I'll take a beach vacation with those hours instead, and then do the job promptly the next day."

This kind of (common) thinking is no better than any other kinds of regrets in life, staying awake and thinking "what if I had asked that person out in high school?" etc etc.

Re: I've procrastinated working on my thesis for more than a year

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I've been here before. I did manage to get my PhD. It wasn't easy and I'm so happy the author is getting therapy because I needed it too. But I don't think the underlying cause is procrastination. At least it wasn't for me.

It was perfectionism.

And because I'm a perfectionist, I even managed to absorb the "nobody's perfect" message while still trying to be perfect, and that's part of the problem. For me, the issue arose when "tasks [took] longer than anticipated" and I started to beat myself up for it. But every massive project that's worthwhile has those issues. Time estimating is difficult especially within research. But taking it personally that we couldn't avoid the estimation problem that so many others have failed at, especially since a PhD thesis is typically the first project of it's scale for an individual, is a recipe for disaster.

I got so burnt out by my PhD project that I literally stared at a blank screen for more than a week trying to force myself to do anything. But I managed with my therapist's help to get out of the death spiral. How did I get out of it? Two simple but difficult objectives.

Self forgiveness and accepting it's going to be shit.

I'll explain the acceptance part first despite that I think people should practice forgiveness first. There's a meme I can't find for book authors that shows a cross-stitch with a beautiful image marked "what the reader sees" and then it's flipped to reveal the mess of thread on the back and marked "what the author sees." Everyone is their own worst critic, so consider that massive issues might only be rough edges and the core of the thesis is likely inact and you need to share it with the world.

The second part is self forgiveness. You did not waste the student's time or resources with a slow project. Every project is over budget and behind schedule. And yes, mistakes were made, but everyone makes mistakes, especially on PhD theses. We used to have a joke amongst the other graduate students "you know, I'll get this right on my next PhD." It's literally everyone's first time.

So, know you're not alone. I walked this path as well. Take a true week long break, and when you come back, form a plan to do a one-week long task. Then take two weeks to do that task. Practice self forgiveness on that task itself. Then formulate the most bare-bones plan for the rest of the PhD. One very silly thing that helped break me out of my death spiral was I started to panic that I couldn't even come up with a title for my thesis. So, I did the word vomit approach others mentioned. It wound up being really really bad because it was kinda sing-songy with unintentional rhyming words. I kept it that way for three months as a joke until I did come up with real final title.

Re: I've procrastinated working on my thesis for more than a year

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Is it ok to meet with your advisor and discuss closing down the project?

My thoughts are: 1. It seemed like a high potential project 2. Over time you learned the return on investment may not be worth it 3. You need to focus on things that make forward direction in your PHD rather than expending any more time on this project. 4. This project can be shelved and others can take it on if interest returns in the future and/or you complete your PHD and have enough free time to return to it.

I think your advisor would appreciate your growth in this as a learning moment.

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