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SOPA-Supporting News Outlets Aren't Covering SOPA

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Re: SOPA-Supporting News Outlets Aren't Covering SOPA

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They aren't covering NDAA either. Or the Mexican civil war. It's not necessarily because of a conflict of interest, I think it's more down to failure of competence.

There is a clear agenda, the only failure is journalistic integrity. They have to keep the masses ignorant of SOPA, Patriot Act, and NDAA, wouldn't want people to be upset with the destruction of the Constitution. They are expecting the worst and so are now preparing for the worst. I am scared of things to come.

You imagine that the media takes its purported role of keeping the public informed on the most important news of the day seriously. That hasn't been true even moderately for the last decade at the least.

It's infotainment. There is no fundamental difference between CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, and techcrunch, or TMZ. The biggest differences are primarily stylistic.

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Useful foreign sites? BBC accepts user comments in some areas, someone posts copyrigh material to one of them and a court order is issued before a BBC mod takes it down? If a DNS block is made then, how long will it last, and how many people would it reach anyway?

Luckily, the BBC would not fall under this definition: the site is primarily designed or operated for the purpose of, has only lim- ited purpose or use other than, or is mar- keted by its operator or another acting in concert with that operator primarily for use in, offering goods or services in viola- tion of— [...some existing laws...]

But the problem with SOPA is that the determination of whether a site is "primarily designed" for copyright infringement is subjective, and a determination made entirely by the party alleging copyright infringement. In theory people using DMCA takedown notices now are only supposed to use them for cases that are really copyright infringement, aka aren't subject to Fair Use or such - or has a legal right to use that song. In practice, copyright holders use automated systems that make no attempt to gauge whether or not some YouTube video or whathaveyou is actually infringing, but just issue a take down request for anything their automated systems find matches a pattern in their database closely enough, with sometimes hilarious results.

I expect that at least one major copyright holder will use a similar system with SOPA, since there seems to be even less theoretical penalty for doing so than with the DMCA. So yes, I expect that the BBC might very well be blacklisted just because one used posts a link to infringing material. And then it will stay blacklisted until maybe the slow wheels of human review come to the consensus that it was indeed an error, and fix it.

Re: SOPA-Supporting News Outlets Aren't Covering SOPA

#63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Useful foreign sites? BBC accepts user comments in some areas, someone posts copyrigh material to one of them and a court order is issued before a BBC mod takes it down? If a DNS block is made then, how long will it last, and how many people would it reach anyway?

Luckily, the BBC would not fall under this definition: the site is primarily designed or operated for the purpose of, has only lim- ited purpose or use other than, or is mar- keted by its operator or another acting in concert with that operator primarily for use in, offering goods or services in viola- tion of— [...some existing laws...]

It sounds like it is trying to make laws fuzzy, because you can't make it outright unbalanced to the copyright owners, but the same owners are lobbying for more law in their favour. Laws have been declined or overturned for being fuzzy, I hope this is the true legal kind of fuzzy.

Re: SOPA-Supporting News Outlets Aren't Covering SOPA

#64
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I propose you think before you type and stop looking for things that aren't there. You're the tyrant here.

How about instead of snide remarks and name calling, you actually give a decent rebuttal to my argument? How on earth would a "responsibility of the press" law make things any better? By reporting on things tomelders likes to hear about? It sounds like an authoritarian lockdown and your cavalier suggestion of it implies you haven't done much research on why freedom of the press actually works.

I refer back to my original rebuttal that was down voted. I never mentioned anything about creating a new "Law". You made that up and inserted it to suit your own agenda.

As far as I'm aware, there is no definition of a "Freedom of the press" law here in the UK, or in the US. It's often assumed that Freedom of Speech (or the first amendment) ensures Freedom of the press, with a few other laws and rights tacked on specific to publications and journalisms. Which implies you yourself haven't done much research. I'd go as far to say that you've not a single buttery fuck of a clue what you're talking about if I'm honest.

But let's take a look at what Freedom of the press actually means, and hopefully you'll learn something. It originated with John Milton in 17th Century britain who argued that the individual is capable of using reason and also distinguishing between right and wrong, good and bad. In order to be able to exercise this ration right, the individual must have unlimited access to the ideas of his fellow men in “a free and open encounter."

That, you ignoramus, is Freedom of the press in a nutshell. Note that it implies a burden of responsibility when it mentions "Free and open" encounter. Such things don't simply magic themselves into existence. This is not a fairy tale world we live in. People actually have to work hard at breathing life into such things.

But no one can say that this "free and open" exchange of ideas and information is taking place in this day and age. This entire comment thread is dedicated to the very fact that news organisations are wilfully and nefariously stifling the "free and open exchange" of information to suit their own individual needs and goals. They are wilfully abandoning their own responsibility to report the news and will undoubtedly use a "freedom of the press" argument to defend their indefensible actions. All while slack jawed brain donors such as yourself argue to your blue in the face in defence this "Freedom". A freedom unlike any other. A freedom which yields hitherto unheard of powers of influence, but requires not one jot of responsibility or decency in order to maintain. We should expect those which shield themselves with such a freedom to be held to higher standard, and for a time they were. But today? I fear they are not.

It's also worth noting that it took some 200 years from John Miltons campaign against government censorship until "The Truth" became an admissible defence against accusations of libel (hence the phrase, "The bigger the truth, the bigger the libel"). To think that we have somehow managed to strike the perfect balance between an individuals right to privacy, the publics right to know and the press's right to report as they see fit stinks of both arrogance and laziness on your part. There's work still to be done and I propose you pick up the mantle by responding to every news organisations wail of "Freedom of the Press!! Freedom of the press" with the counter question, "What about the Responsibility of the press!?".

But if you want the ultimate example of why Freedom of the press is bullhunky and Responsibility of the press os sorely lacking, consider this. Michael Jackson died on June 25th 2009. Tell me, what was happening the day before Wacko Jackco popped his rhinestone encrusted moon walking clogs?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2009/jun/24/iran-crisis

That news story all but disappeared the second the King of Pop breathed his last. Lot's of people died. Iran seized the opportunity and while no one was looking, it violently crushed the opposition and no body cared.

Freedom of the press? I wouldn't wipe my arse with it. Hows that for a fucking rebuttal.

Re: SOPA-Supporting News Outlets Aren't Covering SOPA

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post #8

I was talking to my father over the holidays about SOPA. He's an avid FOX news and CNN viewer. He had no idea what I was talking about. After our conversation he took it upon himself to search Google on the subject to educate himself on it. I'm from Canada so all I can do is keep an eye on this at the moment, but it goes to show you that everyone in the US need to spread the word.

your dad would be the first canadian I've heard of that is an avid FOX news fan. how can you even catch fox news up here? (I dont have cable, but when I did I dont think we had the news…)

Go here: http://www.bell.ca/Bell_TV/Channels/Theme_Packs.tab

Select Ontario as your province and look under the "News & Learning 2" package. Fox News is there. He's a big Bill O'Reilly fan!

Re: SOPA-Supporting News Outlets Aren't Covering SOPA

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about instead of snide remarks and name calling, you actually give a decent rebuttal to my argument? How on earth would a "responsibility of the press" law make things any better? By reporting on things tomelders likes to hear about? It sounds like an authoritarian lockdown and your cavalier suggestion of it implies you haven't done much research on why freedom of the press actually works.

I refer back to my original rebuttal that was down voted. I never mentioned anything about creating a new "Law". You made that up and inserted it to suit your own agenda. As far as I'm aware, there is no definition of a "Freedom of the press" law here in the UK, or in the US. It's often assumed that Freedom of Speech (or the first amendment) ensures Freedom of the press, with a few other laws and rights tacked on spe…

Got to this late, but you raise some points I'd like to address. And thanks for the history lesson. But, you can't keep calling your opponents names and expect to retain legitimacy. As to your accusation that I'm creating a "law" strawman of "responsibility of the press", please refute it. Once you start defining constructs that others must abide by, you're well on your way to creating laws.

The key you're forgetting about freedom of the press is that it cuts both ways.

The contract the press has with the public is "Sure, you're allowed to print whatever you wish, but don't expect us to BELIEVE you once you've exhausted all your credibility (and we don't believe you by default)". Likewise, if you continuously deliver relevant information and editorial you will be rewarded with higher readership/viewership and trust. No, this isn't perfect, but it beats the bejeesus out of a state controlled news service (which, btw, we DO have , it's called CSPAN and NPR but the masses here in the U.S. can't be bothered). What I'm saying is essentially to let the free market do it's job. It won't always be perfect, but at least if you hate it you can try to change it without cutting through loads of bureaucratic tape.

Now on to this law. What? Yes you want a law. You want to force the "press" to abide by a subjective regulation of reporting on the "truth". Leaving aside the obvious axioms of math and physics, "truth" is different to many people. My truths may not be your truths, so I'd like "truth" presented in a way that reflects my bias. And that is all the press is doing.

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