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Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop

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Post by abliefern »

raghavkukreti wrote: post #54
abliefern wrote: post #40

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That's a misunderstanding. Fake meat products don't contain "a ton of additives".

Water, soy protein concentrate, coconut oil, sunflower oil, natural flavors, 2% or less of potato protein, methylcellulose, yeast extract, cultured dextrose, food starch modified, soy leghemoglobin, salt, mixed tocopherols (antioxidant), soy protein isolate, zinc gluconate, thiamine hydrochloride (vitamin B1), niacin, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), riboflavin (vitamin B2), and vitamin B12. This is the list of…

So you're claiming GMO is bad for your health? Wow. And preservatives? Can you point out the preservatives in the ingredient list? I can't see any. Except maybe salt...

Really not convinced at all.

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Post by jononomo »

spicymaki wrote: post #744
jononomo wrote: post #707

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Fresh meat contains vitamin C. Also, vitamin C is needed for the synthesis of collagen and an all-beef diet contains a lot of collagen. Scurvy is only a problem for people like sailors in the old days who did not have access to fresh meat on extremely long voyages. Finally, consider the fact that human beings have lived in northern climates through ice ages that lasted a thousand years.

A quick consultation with Dr. Google states caveats to what you are claiming (this is data from a carnivore advocate [1] btw.): you have to consume 2.2lbs of grass fed beef to get ~25mcg of Vitamin C. The daily recommended value is 75mg [almost double if you are pregnant] (you need 1000mcg to equal 1mg). The WHO recommends at least 45mg a day to prevent scurvy. 1 decently sized orange would cover the recommended dail…

There is a massive community of people who are only eating ribeye steaks. Many have been doing this for over ten years. They aren’t getting scurvy. So that’s the end of that story. And you don’t need to eat grass-finished beef (it has a worse flavor profile anyway). I’m sorry you can’t afford it.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

slothtrop wrote: post #695
someNameIG wrote: post #678

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Plants have no brains or analog at all, plats reacting and signalling is no different than a bacteria moving along a concentration gradient. The animals I mentioned do, even if very simple ones. If you really want to question this bivalves are a better example, as I've seen many debates in vegan circles about them.

> plats reacting and signalling is no different than a bacteria moving along a concentration gradient. No different than pain receptors, you mean. > Plants have no brains or analog at all No brain, yes. But what of "no analog" if the qualifier for suffering is deliberately clouded in ambiguity? The only reason the brain matters qua suffering is owing to the capacity for consciousness. Plants have no brain, well, sard…

> No different than pain receptors, you mean.

Not the best argument. I don't really mind my pain receptors going off if the signal doesn't make it to my spine. Do you?

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Post by Dylan16807 »

Swizec wrote: post #479
maury91 wrote: post #429

I'm not a fan of plant-based meat, this is most likely because of my culture ( I'm Sardinian ), we do have many meat based dishes and many plant based dishes, and honestly I don't see the need to cook the meat based ones with processed food that tries to replicate the taste and consistency of meat. I believe that if you don't want to eat meat there's a world of recipes that do not involve meat and are made to elevate…

Fake meat feels similar to my Slovenian eyes. There's a whole world of recipes that just don't include meat and are delicious. It wasn't until I moved to the USA that I even realized those are "vegetarian" ... to me they're just regular foods and recipes. Lots of cottage cheese hearty meals with high protein content. It helps that traditional (100+ years ago) Slovenian culture was that you rarely eat meat because mea…

Do you also ask people why they drink diet soda when they're not on a diet?

You're basically suggesting they don't get to use an ingredient because of the way it's marketed or why it was invented, which are terrible reasons. "It tasty" is all the justification they need.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

anonu wrote: post #491
maury91 wrote: post #429

I'm not a fan of plant-based meat, this is most likely because of my culture ( I'm Sardinian ), we do have many meat based dishes and many plant based dishes, and honestly I don't see the need to cook the meat based ones with processed food that tries to replicate the taste and consistency of meat. I believe that if you don't want to eat meat there's a world of recipes that do not involve meat and are made to elevate…

I second this sentiment. General advice is to avoid things in boxes and bags: aka highly processed foods. The ingredients list on the beyond meat website looks like this: Water, pea protein*, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, dried yeast, cocoa butter, methylcellulose, and less than 1% of potato starch, salt, potassium chloride, beet juice color, apple extract, pomegrana…

> General advice is to avoid things in boxes and bags: aka highly processed foods.

What kind of rule is this?

Half of the barely-processed foods I buy are in boxes and bags. Rice, potatoes, frozen vegetables...

Fresh meat is also wrapped for sanitary reasons. Do you count plain cheese as highly processed because that has plastic on it too.

Let alone how normal it is to add things like starch and salt and juices.

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Post by Moldoteck »

mrguyorama wrote: post #693
Moldoteck wrote: post #515

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oh god, i adore falafel. I found some frozen falafel made in my town that didn't have additives at all and it was just .... I can finish a 400g package at once))

I don't get falafel. Chickpea tastes like sand. It always seemed to me like the kind of food you create when you don't have an alternative source of basic plant bulk for certain foods, like cornmeal or wheat flour or soybean. Why not fill tofu with the same spices and deep fry that? To my palate that would be strictly better. Or alternatively like a hashbrown sandwich with indian spices in the hash brown seems like i…

Afaik falafel isn't just chickpeas. It also has some vegetables, spices, at least the one that I prefer and even after baking it doesn't feel too dry

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Post by euroderf »

md_ wrote: post #84
dvh wrote: post #80

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I don't follow. Why do meat eaters want vegans to eat this instead of soy meat? I am mostly vegetarian, and I quite like Impossible Burgers. Sadly they're not really available in Europe. They might be an idea with a small market. But in my mind this is a lot like if Silicon Valley got really pumped up about, like, unpasteurized cheeses or nutritional shakes. (Oh, wait, that last one happened.) The problem isn't with…

Impossible Burger is the stuff used at Burger King. At least in Finland. Or did you mean available at the supermarket ?

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Post by interstice »

WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #727
Matticus_Rex wrote: post #633

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This is a non-response. Profits go up when you give people things they want in a way that's sustainable and decently scalable. Plant-based meats have definitely not reached their peak of market penetration, and manufacturing costs are expected to continue declining. If they continue to sell and continue to grow the customer base, profits will go up.

> If they continue to sell and continue to grow the customer base, profits will go up. What I have found is that "profits is not enough", you must be making more profit than the competition.

If the competition is other plant based meat products then it doesn’t matter who wins

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Post by DuckFeathers »

sixstringtheory wrote: post #765
georgyo wrote: post #437

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Meat tastes really good. I think there are many people who want to eat less meat but really enjoy meat. I am one of those people.

As someone who enjoys meat well enough… I realized a while ago that meat itself doesn’t have that great of a flavor, it can be downright bland. The flavor comes from the seasonings and spices they are typically prepared with. Which are either: a) salt or b) something that came from a plant.

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Post by theshrike79 »

alphanullmeric wrote: post #730
theshrike79 wrote: post #714

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American or European? European fries are potato, oil, salt.

And since potatos are healthy, and vegans believe seed oils are healthy, surely their sum (potato fries) must also be healthy, correct?

Being vegan doesn't always mean eating healthy, even though people have that idea in their head.

In Finland we have a FB group called "Chips and Beer -vegans"[0] with 65k members. Potato chips are vegan, beer is vegan. You can have both and still be vegan. It's not healthy, but still vegan.

I can deep-fry my tofu in the fattiest of all vegan fats and eat them with deep-fried french fries and a bunch of deep-fried Oreos.

Still vegan.

[0] https://www.facebook.com/groups/1701571030062709

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