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Re: US Supreme Court releases leak investigation report

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Post by kube-system »

ribosometronome wrote: post #20
gremlinsinc wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've done nothing, and we're all out of options, confused pikachu face. Though, personally I think this leak probably was good as it at least got public discourse going around the subject even though the justices ultimately went against public sentiment for reasons. I'm personally WAY more concerned about Justice Thomas and Ginny Thomas and their links to the insurrection attempt, and other undermining of democracy.

America hasn't been lacking in abortion discourse in awhile. The leak potentially effected the outcome of both the decision and November's election -- more undermining of democracy.

It certainly influenced the election and undermined the judiciary, but I'm not sure it undermined democracy.

Re: US Supreme Court releases leak investigation report

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Post by cvwright »

pcaharrier wrote: post #25
cuuupid wrote: post #13

At least this is an improvement from the “hacker known as 4chan” days. I’m a bit confused by this report though, did they do forensic analysis on the devices of all employees who would’ve had access or only some and rely on interviews for the rest? I imagine if someone leaked it they probably wouldn’t immediately admit to it just when asked.

"all employees who were requested to do so voluntarily provided call and text detail records and billing statements for their personal devices for a defined period to the best of their abilities. The investigators reviewed the call and text logs retrieved but found nothing relevant in the limited logs." All the other references that I can find look like they are limited to the Court's IT systems. That seems like it m…

Don’t the WaPo and NYT have anonymous submission sites for exactly this kind of thing?

Re: US Supreme Court releases leak investigation report

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Post by irrational »

shapefrog wrote: post #16
PM_me_your_math wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gut feelings, what else matters?

My uncle Jim said on facebook that his ex wifes stepson has a friend who works at the supreme court in the parking lot who told him it was definately true.

Good enough for me!

Re: US Supreme Court releases leak investigation report

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Post by Waterluvian »

pattisapu wrote: post #30

When I clerked for a judge (not on the Supreme Court), she sometimes asked me to write two draft opinions -- one where one side wins -- and another where the other side wins -- and she used those materials in drafting her ultimate opinion. There are so many different things going on in how judges write. I hope that they can get some _sense_ of security again so that they feel the freedom to be as open-minded as possi…

I'm picturing a political cartoon where Lady Justice is blindfolded, but she's visibly sweating and nervous as she's aware of being completely crowded by people with magnifying glasses, smartphones on camera mode, etc.

Re: US Supreme Court releases leak investigation report

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Post by matthewdgreen »

econonut wrote: post #18
gremlinsinc wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've done nothing, and we're all out of options, confused pikachu face. Though, personally I think this leak probably was good as it at least got public discourse going around the subject even though the justices ultimately went against public sentiment for reasons. I'm personally WAY more concerned about Justice Thomas and Ginny Thomas and their links to the insurrection attempt, and other undermining of democracy.

It is not the duty of the Supreme Court to follow public sentiment.

It’s the duty of the court to maintain the public’s trust in the institution: without that trust the law doesn’t matter very much. This court has not been doing that very well, as evidenced by sharp changes in the opinion polling. This leak, evidence that justices are sharing unpublished opinions with interested parties, and the current weak-tea investigation are only part of the problem. But they’re big problems.

Re: US Supreme Court releases leak investigation report

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Post by fmajid »

Aloha wrote: post #29
saboot wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because he's done it before https://www.axios.com/2022/11/29/supreme-court-alito-ethics-...

I'm in broad agreement with you, Alito more than likely leaked it himself, which is why no leaker will be found, the justices are above scrutiny. Absent finding another person who we can prove did it, I'll hold on to that idea.

It was to prevent Roberts or Kavanaugh from getting cold feet.

Re: US Supreme Court releases leak investigation report

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Post by wyldfire »

ProAm wrote: post #19
ru552 wrote: post #3

TLDR: They haven't found the leak.

Thankfully. "Sunlight is one of the best disinfectants"

Of course - this principle is an excellent one and applies to very many areas of government. But there are exceptions and I'd argue that many/most of the exceptions are good things.

Exceptions include:

* voting records - many/most countries use secret ballots. But we didn't always (in the US)! Before secret ballots, votes were subject to coercion and bribery.

* jury deliberations - juries deliberate in secret and then publish their verdict to the court.

* espionage - controversial to say the least, but spies can be a net benefit (or a necessity) depending on your perspective.

Based on this you could make the case that draft opinions for the court to review among the court might be similar to jury deliberations and perhaps could be considered something that should not be released (or should only be released years/decades after a ruling or after the relevant opinion authors retire). Or you could make the case that you have here that "sunlight is one of the best disenfectants" -- but in that case I would just prefer that all draft opinions become public all the time, not just controversial ones. I think we can all surmise that if that were the requirement, the Justices would find a way to discuss their opinions among the Court without requiring a published draft opinion.

Re: US Supreme Court releases leak investigation report

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Post by irrational »

kube-system wrote: post #31
ribosometronome wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America hasn't been lacking in abortion discourse in awhile. The leak potentially effected the outcome of both the decision and November's election -- more undermining of democracy.

It certainly influenced the election and undermined the judiciary, but I'm not sure it undermined democracy .

For me, it mainly undermined my trust in the Supreme Court. I’d already lost trust in congress and the presidency. Now I have lost trust in all three branches of government. Complete corruption across the board.

Re: US Supreme Court releases leak investigation report

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Post by remarkEon »

>The investigative team received outside assistance with a fingerprint analysis of an item relevant to the investigation. That analysis found viable fingerprints but no matches to any fingerprints of interest.

This one is fascinating. Now I'm left wondering what the "item" is, or what constitutes "fingerprints of interest".

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