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Wikipedia’s Redesign Is Barely Noticeable. That’s the Point.

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Looks like the white space on the right side is a perfect width for banner ads.

Presumably that depends on your monitor size

yeah I use Wikipedia zoomed in and it always uses the entire width of my screen, new design is not an exception. Having text as a max-width column is good, otherwise it's harder to read.

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Looks like the white space on the right side is a perfect width for banner ads.

It's also the perfect width to add a friends list or sidebar full of skeuomorphic widgets or live updating feed of edits to the site. There's no reason to assume Wikipedia would introduce advertising (they're not a corporation, they're not motivated by profit, they have a healthy chunk of cash in the bank). Of all the organizations I'd expect to give in to greed, Wikimedia doesn't crack the top 100.

They have been known for continuously lying in their banner advertisements for donations so I wouldn't be surprised if they ever finally sold out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Guy_Macon/Wikipedia_has_C...

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#43

There's so much wasted space to the left. And still no dark mode.

There isn't wasted space. The left supports the table of contents, which can get quite long and layered. Plus it also supports the expanding top menu button. The right side can be expanded on by clicking the square button at the bottom if you're not a fan of the "narrow" reading mode.

Maybe we aren't seeing the same things, To the left of the table of contents there is a lot of wasted space still. and to the right there is even more wasted space.

Navigating is also slow, it takes a second to scroll down, while before it was instantaneous.

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There's so much wasted space to the left. And still no dark mode.

There isn't wasted space. The left supports the table of contents, which can get quite long and layered. Plus it also supports the expanding top menu button. The right side can be expanded on by clicking the square button at the bottom if you're not a fan of the "narrow" reading mode.

I don't see any square button. 2/3rds of the horizontal real estate of my screen is empty... it's wasted space.

This might look ok on a smaller monitor, but on 4K it is very sparse.

Re: Wikipedia’s Redesign Is Barely Noticeable. That’s the Point.

#45
Weirdly for me, it seems to have been rolled out inconsistantly - maybe it's in progress? For me right now, the Emacs page is new, while the GNU Emacs page is old, for instance:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Emacs

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#46

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There isn't wasted space. The left supports the table of contents, which can get quite long and layered. Plus it also supports the expanding top menu button. The right side can be expanded on by clicking the square button at the bottom if you're not a fan of the "narrow" reading mode.

I don't see any square button. 2/3rds of the horizontal real estate of my screen is empty... it's wasted space. This might look ok on a smaller monitor, but on 4K it is very sparse.

The button is at the bottom of the screen to the right. Visit an example page [1], and it should be there at the very bottom right corner. It is set to only appear on wide screens (1600px+), where the "wasted space" can actually be utilized.

Seems being directly linked to pages doesn't show the new design sometimes if you aren't logged in. But I'll provide the page where they talk about the new theme itself and the expand button [2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Antiguan_general_election

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vector_2022#How_to_e...

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> I noticed that the Wikipedia page for "Wikipedia" allows you to preview the new design: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia The navigation frame on the left is absolutely massive . At first I thought you linked the mobile view, but no, it really is wasting a quarter of the width of the page (on my monitor) on white space.

The main feature of the new design is that the width of the article body is now limited, rather than unlimited as previously, under the idea that overlong lines reduce the readability of text. With limited text width, removing the navigation sidebar would not decrease the amount of whitespace. If you would prefer to have unlimited width, you can configure this behavior in the new theme or select a different theme alt…

They tried this already in 2014 as part of the Typography Refresh™ package, but reverted it rather quickly after a backlash. Likewise line height changes and not-quite-black black text. Only the relatively benign font changes stayed.

Today the only reminder of it (a rather cryptic one) seems to be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiSpeak#Typography...

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Grrr, I hate readability! Just the idea of proper line lengths makes me angry. But I think everybody has to create an account, not just us salty grandpas. Like I said, if it was a product goal, it's a sneaky way to do it. Not saying that is the case.

Sneaky indeed. So sneaky, in fact, that it would be completely ineffective.

I dunno, I bet they get an uptick in signups, especially right after launching this design.

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#49
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Clearly designed by someone who only uses one language. The one most used element for me was the side bar, where I could hover over the language to see the translation of some term. Now it's hidden behind a click, and a looot of scrolling. Just try to reach Svenska. I can work around the style changes easily with custom CSS and stylus, but I'm not impressed by that change.

The extra click is an inconvenience that they also noted themselves. But it definitely was designed with multilingual use in mind, see here https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improveme...

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I don't see any square button. 2/3rds of the horizontal real estate of my screen is empty... it's wasted space. This might look ok on a smaller monitor, but on 4K it is very sparse.

The button is at the bottom of the screen to the right. Visit an example page [1], and it should be there at the very bottom right corner. It is set to only appear on wide screens (1600px+), where the "wasted space" can actually be utilized. Seems being directly linked to pages doesn't show the new design sometimes if you aren't logged in. But I'll provide the page where they talk about the new theme itself and the e…

Thanks, I see it now. I thought I looked everywhere but I missed it.
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