I feel like I'm going crazy sometimes with the fake meat convos. Fake meat is fantastic and I sometimes pick it over regular meat. It's sort if its own thing in my mind, but I get way less of a carb crash from it. I dunno if that's actually caused by anything or just a placebo though.
Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop
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Re: Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop
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What looks reasonable to you might not look reasonable to someone else, like someone that strives to avoid seed oils and other industrial products and live above 90 years of age.
So for all the fear mongering your main (or only) concern with Impossible is the sunflower oil?
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#363Can we add an "in the US" at the end? Since for EU countries this is not true. I'm living in sweden now and lived in germany and poland. Plant-based meat products are growing in numbers and the price of meat is going so high that its cheaper to buy the plant-based one. In Germany one producer of meat sausages want to turn 100% plant based[1]. I will not go into the whats better and not for you. Since this highly depe…
It's a bit of a flop in the UK too tbh. It's been pushed fairly hard, but not that much uptake.
You must live in a very different part of the UK to me then. Every supermarket has extensive plant-based options, Greggs has been expanding their vegan range, McDonalds has the McPlant on the menu permanently now..
Re: Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop
#364Can we add an "in the US" at the end? Since for EU countries this is not true. I'm living in sweden now and lived in germany and poland. Plant-based meat products are growing in numbers and the price of meat is going so high that its cheaper to buy the plant-based one. In Germany one producer of meat sausages want to turn 100% plant based[1]. I will not go into the whats better and not for you. Since this highly depe…
Same in Hong Kong. Recently Impossible, Beyond and (our local equivalent) OmniFoods have been introduced to almost all restaurant menus. It's died down a bit, but still quite popular. And this is the place with the highest meat consumption per capita in the world.
Re: Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop
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What looks reasonable to you might not look reasonable to someone else, like someone that strives to avoid seed oils and other industrial products and live above 90 years of age.
Haha, do you believe that olive oil isn't made on a large ("industrial") scale? Or lard, or tallow, for that matter. Man, this is just more FUD, scientists aren't arguing about this, shitty fitness influencers are. But hey, I do hope that you live to 90 or above, cool goal. I just hope you don't waste too much time listening to Joe Rogan. I'm not gonna waste more of my precious (and I guess to you very short) life on…
Large scale is not the same as industrial product. Nearly all food sold is made in large scale. But industrial means going one or more steps further. Processing food changes it. If you sell an apple, even if you harvest a million of them, means you still have an apple. But taking the apple, processing it in some oil, juice, jam and what else, means you have industrialized it, and made something new, with new problems.
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In a podcast I heard that The Vegetarian Butcher initially had experimental biological degradable packaging, but after buying hundreds of thousands they all went bad, and had to be thrown out. Now they use plastic packaging and they only try to solve one problem at a time.
This sounds weird to me, it was a surprise to them that biodegradable packaging biodegraded?
The general assumption is that biodegradable materials biodegrade under conditions different from regular use and storage, or over long timeframes. The timber in your house is biodegradable, but if you keep it dry it will last a century or so. Packaging that biodegrades in regular storage isn't nessesarily bad, but surprising
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Which totally puzzles me. Nothing wrong with a vegetarian diet, but would I prefer processed food, vegan or otherwise, over unprocessed one?
I think the whole "processed" vs "unprocessed" food label is too imprecise to say anything about whether it's healthy or not. I don't think there's anything that implies that processed foods have to be unhealthy. It's just that most processed food tend to be less healthy.
> I don't think there's anything that implies that processed foods have to be unhealthy
Honestly it's just a good rule of thumb to use. Even if it's not 100% true, you're better off acting like it's 100% true in the end.
Re: Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop
#368Alternatively, plant based meat products are doing quite well in the US. The problem is that the corporate world, being essentially incapable of moderation and self-control, banked on a quick ramp up in growth leading to economies of scale in the very short term. What went wrong was that hyped bet on quick growth. This is a common problem in the US because fast growth brings better returns especially for investors and so is more desirable than less risky slow growth.
This means there will most likely be a period of shake up in the industry which will be followed by leadership being taken up by more reasonable producers who have the capacity to tolerate modest profits and a period of relatively slow growth as the market gets a foothold.
Venture capitalists should take note of this demonstration of how growth is not the only important variable and fast growth is not always most desirable, especially with relatively new products and market segments.
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I'm from Germany, and I can confirm that the number of vegan alternatives to any imaginable animal product have increased sharply both in quantity and quality over the last years, to the point that you can get good vegan alternatives at discount supermarkets now. Even in the US, I wonder if what Bloomberg is calling a "flop" is a real flop or just some companies falling short of their over-ambitious forecasts (or the…
Aldi has a great chicken replacement and the meatballs packaged with a pack of ketchup are excellent. I would wish for them to be available in a larger version without the ketchup. Another problem I have with all of this is the plastic packaging for everything. Getting something like that at a veggie butcher would be cool.
I prefer polypropylene packaging to cardboard coated in PFAs. The latter is ostensibly "compostable", as long as you're ok with compost laced with forever chemicals.
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This sounds weird to me, it was a surprise to them that biodegradable packaging biodegraded?
The general assumption is that biodegradable materials biodegrade under conditions different from regular use and storage, or over long timeframes. The timber in your house is biodegradable, but if you keep it dry it will last a century or so. Packaging that biodegrades in regular storage isn't nessesarily bad, but surprising
Ah, it was a storage issue? That's interesting, thank you.