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Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by xupybd »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #380
xupybd wrote: post #247

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It is concerning people think this. Modern politics has become so much about mud slinging that people honestly believe horrible things about political other groups. Conservatives do not vote for Nazis. They don't support Nazi ideologies. I don't think you'll be able to find any conservative politicians with Nazi or fascistic ideologies/policies. You will however find many that have been accused of such things. There…

1) Today's "conservatives" all about being anti-liberal, anti-woke, anti-EV, anti-trans, anti-science (unless it is for making big honking guns, of course), anti, anti, anti. They define themselves by being anti. They won't define themselves as "anti-conservative" only because they have redefined "conservative" to mean "fascist" because its bad PR. 2) The last "conservative" president spoke openly about about ways to…

Have you talked to many conservatives? It seems you have a very polarized view. It's almost a caricature.

Our media paints the other side very negatively. I come from a very left leaning family and while I have been an offensive jerk in the past I've grown up and learned how to get along. We need more friends from the other side so we understand what they actually believe. That the other is not a monster. I'm very lucky to have family that allows me to interact with and love people of very different political leanings.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by freejazz »

nhchris wrote: post #458
freejazz wrote: post #455

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I never said jewish people are the only ones that suffered persecution. As a jewish person it's my history and it's teh example I choose, especially because we were talking about... wait for it... anti-semitism.

> In fact, I hear anti white propoganda all the time, part of which is the fact that whites are overrepresented in finance. > Oh, you do? This whole, "one side said one thing, so me, as a person on the other side, I'm gonna say my version of the thing, and people will have to take it seriously because it's fundamentally the same argument" really misses the point. My grandparents [..] You used your own persecution to…

>You used your own persecution to dismiss anti-white propaganda. Instead of using it as a lesson on the danger of propaganda targeting identity groups, you're using it as a cudgel, that because Jews had it worse, whites shouldn't complain when targeted by that same kind of propaganda.

The point was that persecuted groups are actually persecuted. White people aren't a persecuted group. That doesn't become true just because you insist so and twisting my words around wont get you any closer.

>No, we were talking about the double standards imposed upon ChatGPT. You want to restrict it to only anti-semitism, because ChatGPT's answers about Jews, in isolation, are defensible. Only when contrasted with the answers given about whites do the hypocrisy and malice become apparent - the same things it and you warned are so dangerous when done to Jews, it gleefully does to whites, and you defend it.

I'm not restricting it only to jews, I was using Jews as an example of why it does make sense, which the poster I was discussing it with, disagreed over. The disagreement here is that white persecution is something made up by you and the other poster.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by freejazz »

DontchaKnowit wrote: post #456
freejazz wrote: post #446

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>In fact, I hear anti white propoganda all the time, part of which is the fact that whites are overrepresented in finance. You are the one offering white prejudice as if it was some sort of reasonable response to why chatGPT doesn't participate in furthering jewish stereotypes... not me. It was your stupid ass response, not mine. >Im just saying that it doesnt make sense that chatgpt would just refuse to tell the tru…

Its not made made up firstly. In fact white people are basically the only people you can be openly racist towards without being villified. Now this racism is quite tame all things considered sure, but it exists. Again I did not equivocate anti white racism with anti semetism. But fandamentally they are the same thing : racism. Still dont understand how my question answered itself. Also, youve been completely hostile,…

It is made up.

>Again I did not equivocate anti white racism with anti semetism. But fandamentally they are the same thing : racism.

You are because you keep comparing them. One of them is real, one of them is imagined in your head. Are white people being put into camps because they are white? No? Then fuck off with your bullshit.

>Also, youve been completely hostile, rude, and unwilling to grant that my arguments are in good faith. This argument will not be productive because you refuse to be amicable. Have a nice life.

Sure, it's because they aren't. Your arguments are not based in good faith. I will repeat that so it's clear.

> This argument will not be productive because you refuse to be amicable

There is no amicability to someone making up the notion that white people are persecuted in any way like jews are and you're a fucking moron for suggesting so.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by boppo1 »

DontchaKnowit wrote: post #457
boppo1 wrote: post #447

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Please provide the evidence so I can evaluate it myself. I do not like Biden and I fully expect he/his admin's probably up to nefarious stuff. But I have not seen any such evidence.

https://www.finance.senate.gov/download/hsgac_-finance-joint... Heres a good start. Additionally there were emails recovered from Hunters laptop which indicated that payments which were made from chinese businesses to Hunter were intended to be held for Joe Biden himself. Let me know what you think after reading this. Ive tried to talk to people about this stuff before but people typically refuse to read the report a…

I'll take a look after work and edit this post in the evening or morning. I followed the laptop on conservative outlets and recall there were emails referring to 'the big man' or something, but it was too vague/tenuous for me to accept beyond a reasonable doubt as "China is paying Biden".

I also found lots of the 'evidence' against trump inconclusive, as did Mueller apparently.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

boppo1 wrote: post #464
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.finance.senate.gov/download/hsgac_-finance-joint... Heres a good start. Additionally there were emails recovered from Hunters laptop which indicated that payments which were made from chinese businesses to Hunter were intended to be held for Joe Biden himself. Let me know what you think after reading this. Ive tried to talk to people about this stuff before but people typically refuse to read the report a…

I'll take a look after work and edit this post in the evening or morning. I followed the laptop on conservative outlets and recall there were emails referring to 'the big man' or something, but it was too vague/tenuous for me to accept beyond a reasonable doubt as "China is paying Biden". I also found lots of the 'evidence' against trump inconclusive, as did Mueller apparently.

Ill admit even in the above report there is not much of a "smoking gun" but plenty of shady, unkosher behaviour that really suggests the idea that Biden was pedeling influence

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

freejazz wrote: post #463
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #456

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not made made up firstly. In fact white people are basically the only people you can be openly racist towards without being villified. Now this racism is quite tame all things considered sure, but it exists. Again I did not equivocate anti white racism with anti semetism. But fandamentally they are the same thing : racism. Still dont understand how my question answered itself. Also, youve been completely hostile,…

It is made up. >Again I did not equivocate anti white racism with anti semetism. But fandamentally they are the same thing : racism. You are because you keep comparing them. One of them is real, one of them is imagined in your head. Are white people being put into camps because they are white? No? Then fuck off with your bullshit. >Also, youve been completely hostile, rude, and unwilling to grant that my arguments ar…

No one is putting jews in camps.

Unless theres some geopolitical antisemetic event going on right now that I am unaware of, youre a fucking loon.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by mistermann »

spritefs wrote: post #368
mistermann wrote: post #48

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> It's not specifically a conservative issue. I can get chatgpt to write about reduction in scope of the federal government, strong state powers, the benefit of lowered taxes and regulations for business, and elimination of central banks. It happily writes about them. For now, anyways, and only to a degree - I've had some sessions with ChatGPT where it is more than happy to explain why certain actions (those of non-U…

> This is scientifically and necessarily (due to the architecture) true. Given we assume Kantian the framework you just outlined > you do not actually possess omniscient knowledge of reality The usual response to this is that if you can't possess omniscient knowledge of reality, how could you possibly make a statement about reality Imo the way out of this: talk about things being true in the context of logic only, th…

> Given we assume Kantian the framework you just outlined

Do you have an alternate theory, something like a central broadcasting station of reality and the mind is a receiver? I'm open to the idea, but it is pseudo-scientific and therefore incorrect (or so it is regularly implied and perceived, if not outright asserted as fact). [Disclosure: here (and therefore incorrect) I am making a joke.]

> The usual response to this is that if you can't possess omniscient knowledge of reality, how could you possibly make a statement about reality

a) Because absolute knowledge is not a requirement for some knowledge.

b) Statements do not have to be true (in fact, most aren't absolutely true in a JTB sense)

> Imo the way out of this: talk about things being true in the context of logic only...

How do you account for:

a) the unknown?

b) the known delusional nature of the mind?

I'm not saying that it can't be done, but I'm curious how you would go about it.

> the second causality comes into the picture the word "true" means something entirely different.

At runtime yes, but philosophy has gone through this problem with extreme diligence - using logic, epistemology, and a few other techniques, it would be pretty easy to eliminate most flawed arguments and propositions (I bet 5 rules/methods would be enough to eliminate 80%). Eliminating incorrectness or unsoundness does not mean that you will convince everyone to realign their beliefs, but that is not a requirement for arriving at maximally possible correctness....and, "unknown" is a valid and very common form of correctness, that most people are not able to reach on certain topics.

> Trying to reconcile the two is like trying to write a mathematical proof of the existence of God

A whale and a mouse are both mammals, but a whale is not equal to a mouse.

Also: arguments like this (which tend to be extremely persuasive, and often account for a non-trivial amount of arguments) could be easily eliminated with a simple rule.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

freejazz wrote: post #462
nhchris wrote: post #458

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In fact, I hear anti white propoganda all the time, part of which is the fact that whites are overrepresented in finance. > Oh, you do? This whole, "one side said one thing, so me, as a person on the other side, I'm gonna say my version of the thing, and people will have to take it seriously because it's fundamentally the same argument" really misses the point. My grandparents [..] You used your own persecution to…

>You used your own persecution to dismiss anti-white propaganda. Instead of using it as a lesson on the danger of propaganda targeting identity groups, you're using it as a cudgel, that because Jews had it worse, whites shouldn't complain when targeted by that same kind of propaganda. The point was that persecuted groups are actually persecuted. White people aren't a persecuted group. That doesn't become true just be…

Dude I dont understand your trip. When people get on fucking television and say things like "we should start killing white people" or "white men are mysogonistic pigs" or "white people have no culture" etc how is that not racism?

Obviously white people arent being put in camps, but to say anti white racism is something I made up is patently absurd. This notion that a particular skin color has to be statistically disadvantaged or has to be historically attacked for their ethniticy in order for someome to be racust against them is insane.

Here is what you are literally saying "you can tell the truth about white people but its wrong to tell the truth about jews because it might turn people into anti semites"

Ironically kind of an anti semetic notion.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by freejazz »

DontchaKnowit wrote: post #466
freejazz wrote: post #463

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is made up. >Again I did not equivocate anti white racism with anti semetism. But fandamentally they are the same thing : racism. You are because you keep comparing them. One of them is real, one of them is imagined in your head. Are white people being put into camps because they are white? No? Then fuck off with your bullshit. >Also, youve been completely hostile, rude, and unwilling to grant that my arguments ar…

No one is putting jews in camps. Unless theres some geopolitical antisemetic event going on right now that I am unaware of, youre a fucking loon.

I’m not a loon, you’re a shitty liar. When have “white people” as you have described, been put in camps because they were “white people”? I never said jews are currently being put in camps. I was clearly referring to World War II. Do me the favor and leave me to the nice life you said you would two posts ago

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by freejazz »

DontchaKnowit wrote: post #468
freejazz wrote: post #462

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You used your own persecution to dismiss anti-white propaganda. Instead of using it as a lesson on the danger of propaganda targeting identity groups, you're using it as a cudgel, that because Jews had it worse, whites shouldn't complain when targeted by that same kind of propaganda. The point was that persecuted groups are actually persecuted. White people aren't a persecuted group. That doesn't become true just be…

Dude I dont understand your trip. When people get on fucking television and say things like "we should start killing white people" or "white men are mysogonistic pigs" or "white people have no culture" etc how is that not racism? Obviously white people arent being put in camps, but to say anti white racism is something I made up is patently absurd. This notion that a particular skin color has to be statistically disa…

I don’t know what TV channels you watch, I don’t see anything like that. Weird how you come up with these as examples and say I’m on a trip…

>"Obviously white people arent being put in camps, but to say anti white racism is something I made up is patently absurd. This notion that a particular skin color has to be statistically disadvantaged or has to be historically attacked for their ethniticy in order for someome to be racust against them is insane.”

It’s not absurd at all. Because the comparison is being made to anti-semitism and they are so clearly orders of magnitude off from each other that it defies common sense. I’m sure there are some people in the world racist against “white people”. You are disingenuous because you are comparing this to something like anti-semitism which is a centuries old tradition that has been acted out in societies repeatedly and even recently.

>“Here is what you are literally saying "you can tell the truth about white people but its wrong to tell the truth about jews because it might turn people into anti semites"

No, what I’m literally saying is that chatGPT doesn’t want to participate in what is likely to result in anti-semitic uses. That’s the whole point, that anti-semitism is current and popular and that chatGPT would contribute to it. ChatGPT doesn’t think people will magically turn into anti-semites because they will read factual information. ChatGPT is worried that it will end up relaying factual information in a way that will be used by anti-semites to demonstrate their points. This isn’t a difficult concept to understand. The problem isn’t the idea, the problem is how it will be used. ChatGPT, fairly, does not want to be involved in such uses. You had to make up a new kind of racism, that isn’t recognized, in order to rebut this totally fair position of theirs.

>“Dude I dont understand your trip.”

Do you go outside and express this idea? Like do you go up to people unsolicitedly and whine about your made up white racism? I wonder how you think people would react that you think I’m on “such” a trip.

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