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Re: Explore Wikipedia's New Look

#11
Initial reactions from watching the gif, coming in cold, having not seen the new design:

2003: Ouch. Yeah, that's bad.

2005: Great.

2011: Not worse. Maybe a little better. I have a vague recollection that some things that aren't well-showcased by a still got better with this one, but the still is at least not-offputting compared with '05.

2022: LOL are you serious? You cannot be serious. Please tell me this is unfinished.

All that padding. WTF. Someone accidentally hit "0" too many times in their CSS editor.

[EDIT] I mean I guess you need enormous swathes of empty space when you remove all other indicators of section division, but... like... just don't do that, then?

[EDIT 2] OK, I was like, "whatever, it sucks, but I'll get over it" until I read this: "When you are logged in to Wikipedia, the updated header will move with you as you scroll." Thank god when I try it on the site this doesn't actually work, since that'd force me to have custom CSS for Wikipedia. {ah, I see now it's because I'm not logged in. Great, easy to avoid then, no problem} Also: I'd love a before-after on page weight. Everyone always seems to add like a full MB of junk to the damn page when they add smart search like that, for some reason, even though it shouldn't require anywhere near that much (see: Github, whose pages bloated a ton when they made their search field "smarter"). One of the nicest things about WP is that it's semi-usable on a potato connection and I wouldn't want to see them sacrifice that in the name of almost any other improvement.

[EDIT 3] Being the change I want to see in the world: I checked with caches disabled and it looks like transfer and weight are damn near identical compared with the "wikiless" site that someone else linked, for the same article. Very nice, happy to see that. However, it appears to use double the memory of the Wikiless version (which I suppose represents something closer to the old design?) which seems pretty bad to me.

Re: Explore Wikipedia's New Look

#12
Details on the design process: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improveme...

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On Wikipedia, and any MediaWiki installation, you can add the useskin query parameter to the URL to change skins on a page, even when not logged in.

Current (vector-2022): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/59th_Academy_Awards?useskin=ve...

Previous (vector): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/59th_Academy_Awards?useskin=ve...

Older (monobook): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/59th_Academy_Awards?useskin=mo...

Older alternative (modern): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/59th_Academy_Awards?useskin=mo...

Older alternative (cologneblue): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/59th_Academy_Awards?useskin=co...

Mobile (minerva): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/59th_Academy_Awards?useskin=mi...

Responsive alternative (timeless): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/59th_Academy_Awards?useskin=ti...

Installed skin list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version

Re: Explore Wikipedia's New Look

#13
I appreciate the table of contents moving to the left-hand sidebar, needing to scroll back to the top in order to navigate a long page or get a permalink was always an annoyance.

Re: Explore Wikipedia's New Look

#16
Oh, it's still hideous. Years ago I used to have a Safari extension that made Wikipedia look absolutely beautiful, with vastly improved readability. Such was the shock when that extension finally stopped working that I can still remember where I was when I suddenly saw the full horror of its regular design.

Re: Explore Wikipedia's New Look

#19

Thank god for wikiless.

1) Awesome, didn't know about this, but

2) Are they ingesting and modifying raw WP pages, and haven't updated for the new design? I ask because on desktop Safari there are tons of major layout errors (search field completely overlaps left menu; top logo image missing; page stretches one full, empty screenfull past the end of the footer; some text sits on top of section dividers rather than within the boundaries of a section) and wonder whether that's normal or just a temporary issue.

Re: Explore Wikipedia's New Look

#20
I don't need a header to follow me down the page, in fact I'd prefer it not to. On the very rare occasion when I need to scroll all the way to the top of the page, I have no problem figuring out how to do that. Feels like they're introducing a persistent UI element without a benefit. Benefit to me, anyway. Maybe they heard from a lot of users who were having trouble remembering where the header was, I can't say. I don't log in to Wikipedia, so this doesn't affect me much at present.

I'm not sure what value the collapsible table of contents is. Maybe it's useful on mobile, to help save screen space, but on desktop it would just be extra work for me to collapse the sections (which appear to be expanded by default). I have not found the length of the table of contents to be a problem, and I see the value of this structure as being that it allows me to see everything at once.

I get why having a maximum line length is good for readability. My reaction to this feature is negative, but I wonder if it's because I've gotten good at sizing Wikipedia articles the way I like them to be, by upping the font size and shrinking my browser window. Maybe I will come around on it, but my initial reaction was that I don't trust them to make the right decision for me, so I'd rather they just kept it flexible.

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