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Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by nhchris »

freejazz wrote: post #433
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #430

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Just because something can be used in an evil way does not make it untrue and it doesnt make it it inherently wrong to talk about. In fact, I hear anti white propoganda all the time, part of which is the fact that whites are overrepresented in finance. The hypocrisy is insane.

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> My grandparents on my dad's side met in a camp somewhere near siberia during WWII, while starving and fleeing the Nazis. That's the thing that Jewish people are dealing with.

Wow. I sure am glad a different regime at the time didn't kill 20 million* of its own people in its fight against the bourgeoisie, because that would make the accusation that someone is unfairly well-off truly dangerous!

Fortunately nothing of the sort happened, and the Jewish people are basically the only ones that suffered persecution, and the ideology that resulted in those hypothetical 20 million deaths is so thoroughly vilified that espousing anything even merely adjacent to it in the US results in ostracism, so there's really no fear of a resurgence.

*Not including deaths due to war, famine, or epidemics. And not including China.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by acdha »

nhchris wrote: post #451
freejazz wrote: post #433

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> My grandparents on my dad's side met in a camp somewhere near siberia during WWII, while starving and fleeing the Nazis. That's the thing that Jewish people are dealing with. Wow. I sure am glad a different regime at the time didn't kill 20 million* of its own people in its fight against the bourgeoisie, because that would make the accusation that someone is unfairly well-off truly dangerous! Fortunately nothing of…

This is a terribly bad faith response: Jewish people today are faced with real threats, buildings being defaced, shootings and bombings, etc. but communism is dead as a political movement. Rich people are afraid of having to pay as much in taxes as the average person does, not real threats to their lives or property.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by Filligree »

aimor wrote: post #116
Filligree wrote: post #56

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It's made the bot almost completely useless for writing any form of fiction. If anything even slightly questionable happens, or even if it doesn't, it insists on explaining that this is fiction, that the characters learned from that, etc. etc. Heavy-handed morals are not normally what I'm going for. This doesn't require asking for anything bawdy. Any story that's even mildly interesting will trigger this behaviour.

Running into this was so disappointing. Every response would end by fully resolving all conflict and as the sun set they knew, no matter what, with the support of each other everything would be OK. I also tried using it as a debate partner, thinking that it could be used to explore or identify (in)valid arguments with premises and conclusions. Turns out there's only one side to every argument, and the best way to sho…

It's not as clever, but if you want to write stories rather than... that.. then I'd recommend you take a look at NovelAI, if you haven't already.

It can't do any significant reasoning. It's no good at writing the story for you. But it isn't opinionated, and it's happy to assist with anything you're writing yourself.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by freejazz »

DontchaKnowit wrote: post #440
freejazz wrote: post #427

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I didn't say anyone was being anti-semitic did I, let alone chatGPT? My point is that you can't play daft about why chatGPT is doing what it is doing. You can contextualize them as just simple facts all you want, but one is a tool used to spread hateful rhetoric about Jews without context.

Actually yes you literally did in your original comment that I replied to.

Sure, but no one in particular. Obviously there are anti-semitic people in the world, I didn't think that was being debated.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by freejazz »

nhchris wrote: post #451
freejazz wrote: post #433

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> My grandparents on my dad's side met in a camp somewhere near siberia during WWII, while starving and fleeing the Nazis. That's the thing that Jewish people are dealing with. Wow. I sure am glad a different regime at the time didn't kill 20 million* of its own people in its fight against the bourgeoisie, because that would make the accusation that someone is unfairly well-off truly dangerous! Fortunately nothing of…

I never said jewish people are the only ones that suffered persecution. As a jewish person it's my history and it's teh example I choose, especially because we were talking about... wait for it... anti-semitism.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

freejazz wrote: post #446
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #439

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I never said white people are favcing a prejudice equivalent to Jews. Thats obviously a stupid ass take to have. Im just saying that it doesnt make sense that chatgpt would just refuse to tell the truth in this instance because that truth could be used as propoganda. And the same argument can be applied to its statements about white people but since white people are on easy street according to the political zeitgeist…

>In fact, I hear anti white propoganda all the time, part of which is the fact that whites are overrepresented in finance. You are the one offering white prejudice as if it was some sort of reasonable response to why chatGPT doesn't participate in furthering jewish stereotypes... not me. It was your stupid ass response, not mine. >Im just saying that it doesnt make sense that chatgpt would just refuse to tell the tru…

Its not made made up firstly.

In fact white people are basically the only people you can be openly racist towards without being villified. Now this racism is quite tame all things considered sure, but it exists.

Again I did not equivocate anti white racism with anti semetism. But fandamentally they are the same thing : racism.

Still dont understand how my question answered itself.

Also, youve been completely hostile, rude, and unwilling to grant that my arguments are in good faith. This argument will not be productive because you refuse to be amicable. Have a nice life.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

boppo1 wrote: post #447
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #421

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Agreed with the other reply that this specifically called it fiction. But also - this isnt a lie. Biden is corrupt as fuck. Hes in bed with the chinese communist party and engaged innepotism in the ukraine. Theres all kinds of evidence about this but people refuse to believe it for some inexplicable reason.

Please provide the evidence so I can evaluate it myself. I do not like Biden and I fully expect he/his admin's probably up to nefarious stuff. But I have not seen any such evidence.

https://www.finance.senate.gov/download/hsgac_-finance-joint...

Heres a good start. Additionally there were emails recovered from Hunters laptop which indicated that payments which were made from chinese businesses to Hunter were intended to be held for Joe Biden himself.

Let me know what you think after reading this. Ive tried to talk to people about this stuff before but people typically refuse to read the report and dismiss it all as political propoganda... which it is, but it also seems to be true from what I can tell.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by nhchris »

freejazz wrote: post #455
nhchris wrote: post #451

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> My grandparents on my dad's side met in a camp somewhere near siberia during WWII, while starving and fleeing the Nazis. That's the thing that Jewish people are dealing with. Wow. I sure am glad a different regime at the time didn't kill 20 million* of its own people in its fight against the bourgeoisie, because that would make the accusation that someone is unfairly well-off truly dangerous! Fortunately nothing of…

I never said jewish people are the only ones that suffered persecution. As a jewish person it's my history and it's teh example I choose, especially because we were talking about... wait for it... anti-semitism.

> In fact, I hear anti white propoganda all the time, part of which is the fact that whites are overrepresented in finance.

> Oh, you do? This whole, "one side said one thing, so me, as a person on the other side, I'm gonna say my version of the thing, and people will have to take it seriously because it's fundamentally the same argument" really misses the point. My grandparents [..]

You used your own persecution to dismiss anti-white propaganda. Instead of using it as a lesson on the danger of propaganda targeting identity groups, you're using it as a cudgel, that because Jews had it worse, whites shouldn't complain when targeted by that same kind of propaganda.

> we were talking about... wait for it... anti-semitism.

No, we were talking about the double standards imposed upon ChatGPT. You want to restrict it to only anti-semitism, because ChatGPT's answers about Jews, in isolation, are defensible. Only when contrasted with the answers given about whites do the hypocrisy and malice become apparent - the same things it and you warned are so dangerous when done to Jews, it gleefully does to whites, and you defend it.

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Post by xupybd »

skissane wrote: post #349
xupybd wrote: post #346

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I think left wing authoritarian identitarianism is the best neutral term I have heard. I'm not sure if that would be found offensive however.

Not only is “left wing authoritarian identitarianism” an unwieldy mouthful, I’m sure that anyone who objects to being called “woke”, won’t like being called “authoritarian” either. Added to that, “identitarianism” is generally understood as a far-right movement, and while “left-identitarianism” might disambiguate it from the far-right version, I doubt they’ll like being given the same name as a far-right ideology, or…

If fnord works I'm happy with it.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by wizofaus »

psychphysic wrote: post #369
wizofaus wrote: post #358

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Has that theory been tested? I would say though that being able to do things massively more quickly is effectively a superpower humans don't have, given we have finite time to ever meaningfully accomplish any task.

Yeah they do handicapped chess engine Vs grandmaster matches. Time advantage is not been enough so what makes you think you a typical human could beat a chess AI given enough time if a GM can't? You probably have to switch the computer off to give a typical human a fighting chance.

I never suggested I thought it, was just curious what level of testing might have been done allowing human players unlimited time vs bots. That a bot would be still win in such cases, even against a GM, is not so surprising based on my understanding of chess.
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