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Ask HN: With recent layoffs, how would you advise new grads entering the market?

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Re: Ask HN: With recent layoffs, how would you advise new grads entering the market?

#41
You need to be applying to 20 jobs a day.

Pay for something that helps you mass apply - I think there are tools out there. Unfortunately I've forgotten their names.

Put yourself in a strong situation - i.e. move back to your parents etc so money isn't a worry.

I never went to Grad School but a lot of my friends went to Grad school.

Re: Ask HN: With recent layoffs, how would you advise new grads entering the market?

#42

I've been through the dotcom slaughter of 2000-2002 as a new grad (undergrad) and the comparatively small slowdown of 2008 (grad school new grad). Get ready to hit the Submit button... a lot. The stories of "getting three job offers after four interviews at five companies" are no longer reality. My application:interview:offer ratio has always varied from 50:5:1 to 100:10:1, and I would expect something like that or w…

> The stories of "getting three job offers after four interviews at five companies" are no longer reality. Yikes. I have been in Software Engineering for about 11 years and never had it any other way and even then interviewing and managing applications was stressful. Having to apply to 10s, 100s of companies would destroy me. I am very, very scared of my company going under and me having to compete in this market. I…

Connections, connections, connections. Reach out to every friend, old coworker, etc. especially those that are in management now. Catch up and get a pulse for how their company situation is right now--if they're weathering the downturn well, going through layoffs, etc.

If you do get laid off you can reach out to these folks immediately and get recommendations or even just feedback on your resume. The sooner you start doing this the better, don't wait to be called into a private meeting with HR and your boss to start this process. The harsh reality is that for senior positions you're either going to spend a LOT of time smashing submit on hundreds and thousands of applications while hearing _nothing_ back, or you're going to tap your connections and have a job lined up relatively quickly. New grads have it a lot easier in the open market IMHO.

Re: Ask HN: With recent layoffs, how would you advise new grads entering the market?

#43
Doing a post-doc maybe?

To survive bad job market is not to enter a bad job market.

If you have to, then, due to supply and demand, you will have to adjust to

1. lower your expectation 2. work on area that is not your supposed expertise domain 3. other unfavorable conditions

Re: Ask HN: With recent layoffs, how would you advise new grads entering the market?

#45
post #28

I would give different advice to someone getting a Bachelors vs someone getting a PhD. For BS CS/EE (or any engineering field): do not overthink the "recession is coming" news. US employers always want young engineers, as they consider them energetic, willing to learn and work for less salary than late career staff. Look up and polish the in demand skills. Brush up on the basics (Python, databases, git) at least to t…

I agree and would add that if you have any interest in SRE or DevOps those jobs are generally in high demand and hard to fill

Re: Ask HN: With recent layoffs, how would you advise new grads entering the market?

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post #18

I like the advice here: https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/advice-for-junior-softwar... (didn't write it, but it jives with my experience). I also wrote something here on how to stand out: https://letterstoanewdeveloper.com/2022/09/19/ways-to-stand-... Finally, you ask: > Is it better to get any job than keep searching for the job I'd be most suited for? That depends on your financial situation and emotional runway,…

> in general it is far easier to get a job once you have a job.

Furthermore, it's easier to negotiate, and you'll feel less desperate (and thus hopefully less stressed) about the process as a whole. Prospective employers know you can walk away if you already have a job -- but they also know you aren't likely to walk away if you don't.

Re: Ask HN: With recent layoffs, how would you advise new grads entering the market?

#48
Build a network. LinkedIn may be cringey at times, but it's vital to build a network. If you do things right, at some point, you will be hounded by recruiters. And on that note...

Connect with recruiters, lots of them. They can mean the difference between never hearing back after a cold application, and getting your resume in front of the hiring manager.

Re: Ask HN: With recent layoffs, how would you advise new grads entering the market?

#49
Some other folks apparently of the same age have already replied, but as another person who got a CS degree and graduated into the post-dotcom meltdown, I'll add my 2 cents.

Yeah, it'll be tough. Your first "real" job will likely be the most difficult job search of your life.

Feel free to try your luck at the same company multiple times. Now, don't be annoying - don't spam them with your resume every day. But the first job I ended up getting was with a company I contacted again a few months after hearing they didn't have anything for me.

I think the issue of take any job vs keep looking for the right job depends on your circumstances. After college I moved back home with my parents, took the summer off and slowly job searched, rent-free, while also enjoying my last summer of freedom. Some folks won't have that luxury.

I'd also recommend considering being flexible with your location. Sure, maybe you want to live in City A, and maybe you can one day, but if there are more jobs in City B (or remote work that will pay the bills in some places, but not City A), it won't kill you to live somewhere else for a couple of years and then try to make the move to where you really want to be.

Re: Ask HN: With recent layoffs, how would you advise new grads entering the market?

#50
post #18

I like the advice here: https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/advice-for-junior-softwar... (didn't write it, but it jives with my experience). I also wrote something here on how to stand out: https://letterstoanewdeveloper.com/2022/09/19/ways-to-stand-... Finally, you ask: > Is it better to get any job than keep searching for the job I'd be most suited for? That depends on your financial situation and emotional runway,…

I'd say, having experiences at bad workplaces can still be valuable. This isn't to say one should seek out toxic colleagues and horrible working conditions, but knowing what you do not want is valuable too. And having bad workplaces early on is cheaper than having bad workplaces later in life. All in all, I'm trying to emphasize that a job in the field you want will almost always be beneficial when you're starting out.
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