Now if we can get the Chinese factories to replace the nasty old serif font they use for every label…
I always assumed that's Times New Roman.
Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri
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#32How are they planning to deal with the I-l issue? Hope that it never comes up?
This is part of why some important government reports still use all caps. It's also a leftover from the telegraph era. INTELLIGENCE REPORT FOR THE PRESIDENT STATE DEPARTMENT SECRET/NOFORN JANUARY 18 2023 CONTENTS: 1. POLITICAL DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION 2. PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA'S NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM 3. TURKEY AND NATO
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#33I never understand why someone in charge of making one specific simple choice, ends up making a remarkable dumb decision. Why, unless you are doing things unethically, would you go for a licensed font? It's not like this is a hard problem to solve more than adequately with open and more accessible alternatives.
Do you think Anthony Blinken knows what a licensed or unlicensed font is?
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#34How are they planning to deal with the I-l issue? Hope that it never comes up?
My browser renders this in sans serif, but adds serifs to I. I'm on firefox/linux and it's defaulting to the css `sans-serif` and I don't have the energy to research how to find what that defaults to right now.
Dev tools → Inspector panel → Fonts subpanel → Fonts Used, and you can hover over each to see highlighted which glyphs are being rendered in that font.
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#35What I want to know is what they were doing before 2004 when they adopted Times New Roman. Courier? Gothic?
Calibri is a nice screen-reading typeface. It is likely that "upstairs" reads on a screen, but I wouldn't bet that much on it.
Times New Roman was designed to shove as many letters into a multi-column newspaper page as possible. It's atrocious for anything else, and should be confined to whence it came, print newspapers. It's only the default because it is the default. Good riddance.
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#36Just waiting for this directive to replace last week's gas stove fauxsteria.
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#37Hmm. Are serif fonts beginning to die out altogether, actually? I definitely feel like I see a lot more sans serif than I used to.
Although my brain thinks any serif font document as more “legitimate”, I can’t think of any reason to use serif in a world of such high resolution screens and printers.
I think you got that backwards. The reason why sans serif fonts became popular is because computer displays are low resolution. Before that, they were often used for ads because they were deemed eccentric. On a modern, high resolution display with hundreds of DPIs you can have all the serifs you want.
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#38Hmm. Are serif fonts beginning to die out altogether, actually? I definitely feel like I see a lot more sans serif than I used to.
Although my brain thinks any serif font document as more “legitimate”, I can’t think of any reason to use serif in a world of such high resolution screens and printers.
Not everyone has a high resolution screen and printer, and it is still important to communicate to those who cannot afford them.
Additionally, I find it hard to discern the difference between 0 and O and I, 1, and l in many sans serif fonts (although the same can be said for some serif fonts).
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#39Interesting that the memo claims that sans serif fonts are preferred to serif fonts for screen reader users and people with disabilities. I thought the exact opposite was true. Is there any definitive research on which type of font is more accessible?
"Results showed a small, but significant advantage in response times for words written in a sans serif font." https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/20445911.2011.5... "Sans serif, monospaced and roman font styles significantly improved the reading performance over serif, proportional and italic fonts." https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/2513383.2513447 and here a whole book about that question https://library.…
That last link (the book) is a fantastic literature review, but every chapter basically concludes that despite some results going each way, there is no statistically significant readability difference between sans serif and serif typefaces, whether on paper or on screen, or whether the reader has various disabilities.
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#40Interesting that the memo claims that sans serif fonts are preferred to serif fonts for screen reader users and people with disabilities. I thought the exact opposite was true. Is there any definitive research on which type of font is more accessible?
Am I being thick, or does a screen reader not care what the font is?